8k course in central park does not include the hill in the northern part of the course. cannot compare central park 8k to central park 10k
Hold your horses wrote:
You're way to excited about this. 28:08 is 22:30 for an 8K, which has been done many times in Central Park. It's a far cry from 27:11.
Aberdeen wrote:
I have to say, I believe he can do it. His track PR isn't nearly the performance that today's Central Park run was. If it was on a fast course, I'd say big deal. But in CP? Beating Mottram?
27:11 in Europe.
Umm...of course he can. The AR in the 10,000 is nowhere near Ritzenhein's ceiling. I've been saying this for years. For too many it takes a stellar performance for people to become believers (I'll admit it did for me with Ryan Hall, so I'm not being high and mighty here). Stomping Mottram like he did is where he should be. Granted Mottram is more of a 5,000 and down runner, but Ritz has Mottram's talent and THEN SOME at 10,000 and up and even at the 5,000 (talent not to be realized unless he focuses on it a bit). I'm not going to go on and on about Ritz, because his win here wasn't a surprise to me. When he breaks the AR in the 10,000, I'll remind everyone that I called it for years.
I'm with ya, FPW, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Hall will be the first to break the current AR in the 10K. Nothing against Ritz or anyone else, but this year's performances point to Hall getting there first. Wouldn't it be great to have Hall, Ritz, Webb, Teg, and Rupp all run under 27:25 by August?
go usa wrote:
I'm with ya, FPW, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Hall will be the first to break the current AR in the 10K. Nothing against Ritz or anyone else, but this year's performances point to Hall getting there first. Wouldn't it be great to have Hall, Ritz, Webb, Teg, and Rupp all run under 27:25 by August?
I'm definitely not voting against Hall anymore (note that I never rooted against him -- just didn't always think he would do as well as he has done). So far Hall has shown to be more stellar on the roads and in longer distances. Not sure what his plans are for a fast 10,000 on the track, but Ritz has mentioned the 10,000 AR, so I know it's in his sights.
With the names you mentioned, I'm not sure Webb will OR SHOULD run many 10,000s. I guess you can't keep Fam out of that group either. Just because I think Ritz is targeting the AR in the 10,000, I think he'll get it first (though another injury could stop that). I think Ritz will have a near (heartbreakingly close) miss to the AR and then not too far off that bust it down pretty far.
the US10K record in the future belongs to Rupp in my estimation. It was good however to see Ritz get a good win even without falling and laying on the pavement afterwards.
hahahaha that is pretty funny about Ritz falling down in pain after his races.. Ritz is still the toughest runner in the nation to me. His victory over Hall in 03' has to be his greatest falling victory. Basically was in a coma after that race..
Anyone know when Ritz will race next?
Where do you get 26? In his biography "the Greatest" he ran 18, and lost 1 (an indoor 800). Also, comparing Geb's season with Koech's doesn't make a lot of sense. 1998 was the year where Geb focused on speed. His two longest races that year were only 10k (he ran a road 10k and a track 10000) and the remaining ones were mostly 1500-5000. It's a lot easier to run 18 races where your average distance is around 3000-5000, versus Koech's schedule where the average distance was around 10k and he had 8 more races. Koech's season was pretty impressive.
malmo wrote:
David Monti wrote:P.S. Can you believe that season Koech had in 1997? 26 races/11 victories
malmo wrote:
Yes. What's so hard to believe about that?
David Monti wrote:
That's about a third more races an athlete at that level typically runs in a year, especially given that Koech ran five track 10,000m races.
Compared to ten years ago, athletes make a higher percentage of their income from shoe company payments vs. money paid by meet organizers (appearance fees, prize money, time bonuses). Athletes tend to race less as a result.
Yes, I'll stipulate each and every one of your points, but back to your original statement:
"Can you believe that season Koech had in 1997? 26 races/11 victories
Yes I can believe it, what's so hard hard to believe that a 26:36 10k runner could do that? Gebrselasssie himself ran 26 races in 1998 and won an astounding 24 of them. I can believe that, as well. That's what really really fast runners are capable of.
I can also believe that for a sub 27 runner, a 28:00 10k requires just a little more effort than Josh McDougal needed to run his sick[sic, emphasis by others] double at ICAAAA. All it requires is to put a proper perspective and scale on the big picture.
classic wrote:
Where do you get 26?
Again, here they are (from the Race Results Weekly 1997 Athlete Performance Database):
3rd, Cross del Campaccio 12-K, 36:17, 06-Jan
1st, Kenyan Armed Forces XC, 11-K, 36:31, 25-Jan
1st, Kenyan XC Championships, 12-K, 34:56, 15-Feb
1st, Nairobi Int'l XC, 12-K, 35:03, 22-Feb
4th, World Cross, 12-K, 35:23, 23-Mar
1st, Cooper River Bridge Run, 10-K, 27:57, 05-Apr
1st, Carlsbad 5000, 5-K, 13:15, 13-Apr
2nd, Vancouver Sun Run, 10-K, 27:56, 20-Apr
1st, Trevira Twosome, 10-K, 28:10 CR, 26-Apr
3rd, Osaka GP, 5000m, 13:10.29, 10-May
2nd, Kenyan Armed Forces Champs, 5000m, 13:34.0, 07-Jun
1st, Kenyan Armed Forces Champs, 10,000m, 28:03.2, 06-Jun
1st, Kenyan Championships, 10,000m, 28:20.0, 27-Jun
2nd, DN Galan, 5000m, 13:00.13, 07-Jul
9th, Nice GP, 3000m, 7:35.23, 19-Jul
6th, Weltklasse, 5000m, 12:54.70, 13-Aug
5th, World Championships Heat 1, 10,000m, 28:13.25, 03-Aug
4th, World Championships Final, 10,000m, 27:30.39, 06-Aug
2nd, Van Damme Memorial, 10,000m, 26:36.26, 22-Aug
2nd, ISTAF Berlin, 5000m, 12:56.59, 26-Aug
7th, Rieti, 2000m, 5:01.92, 03-Sep
3rd, IAAF GP Final, 5000m, 13:10.77, 13-Sep
1st, Dam to Dam, 10 Mi., 44:45, 21-Sep
1st, Cross Int'l del "Chocolate Y El Vino", 9 km, 26:19, 23-Nov
3rd, XIV Cross Internacional Valle de Llodio, 9.95 km, 30:55, 30-Nov
1st, VXI Cross Internacional de la Constitucion, 10.1 km, 07-Dec
DFM
I was actually talking about Malmo's stats for Geb. He said that Geb ran 26 races in 1998 (with two losses), but in Geb's book, the total is actually 18, which even was a bit on the high side for Geb. I have no argument with Koech's stats, they are very impressive.
You are correct. Geb's total for 1998 is 18. Tilastopaja
normally denotes splits times with a "+" afterwards, which I eliminate from the total count, of course. For some inexplicable reason, for Gebrselassie's 1998 history did not add the "+" after all split times, which brings his count down to 18.
800 m
1:50.39i SB (129) 6rA Dortmund 30 Jan
1000 m
2:20.3hi PB (2) 1r2 Sparkassen Stuttgart 1 Feb
1500 m
3:31.76i NR PB (1) 1r2 Sparkassen Stuttgart 1 Feb
3:33.27i 1r2 Flanders Gent 8 Feb
3:40.6h SB (158) 1 Bislett Oslo 9 Jul
One Mile
3:55.0ai PB (1) 1 BUPA Birmingham 15 Feb
3:57.1h SB (45) 1 Bislett Oslo 9 Jul
2000 m
4:57.51+i 1 Sparkassen Karlsruhe 25 Jan
4:52.86i WR PB (1) 1 BUPA Birmingham 15 Feb
4:59.0hi 1 Stockholm 19 Feb
4:57.5h 1 Bislett Oslo 9 Jul
4:59.7h 1 Herc Monaco 8 Aug
4:56.5h SB (7) 1 VD Bruxelles 28 Aug
3000 m
7:26.15i NR PB (2) 1 Sparkassen Karlsruhe 25 Jan
7:31.70i 1 Globen Stockholm 19 Feb
7:38.93+ 1 Ericsson Helsinki 13 Jun
7:27.42 1 Bislett Oslo 9 Jul
7:25.54 1 Herc Monaco 8 Aug
7:25.09 NR PB (1) 1 VD Bruxelles 28 Aug
7:50.00 1 GPF Moskva 5 Sep
Two Miles
8:12.4h SB (2) 1 Ericsson Helsinki 13 Jun
5000 m
13:11.8h 2 APM Hengelo 1 Jun
12:39.36 PB (1) 1 Ericsson Helsinki 13 Jun
13:02.63 1 GGala Roma 14 Jul
12:54.08 1 WK Zürich 12 Aug
12:56.52 1 ISTAF Berlin 1 Sep
10000 m
26:22.75 PB (1) 1 APM Hengelo 1 Jun
ritz looked mighty strong in finishing and that's a tough 10k course. he's going to drop his 10k pr 20 seconds or more if he gets in a fast 10k and is healthy throughout.
From the RW daily interview today it looks like Ritz is running the 2M at Pre for sure and may even jump in the 5,000 this weekend at the Eugene meet.
I would think one race in early June, then USATF, then 3 races in the summer, then marathon training.
27:09.
You heard it here first.
Who else is in the 5K this weekend?
go usa wrote:
I would think one race in early June, then USATF, then 3 races in the summer, then marathon training.
He will NOT run the marathon trials. I 100% guarantee it.
I haven't seen the start list but they will have pacers going for the WC A standard and will offer additional prize money for a sub 13:20. Ritz said in an interview after his Healthy Kidney win that he may enter this race depending on how he feels this week.
does anyone have a link to the ritz win over hall back in 03? the one where he falls....
Goucher is the only one mentioned here:
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=4367&SPID=243&ATCLID=899486&DB_OEM_ID=500