He better take every one to the woodshed at NC's XC w/ that 10k time. He coulda run XC nats in Boulder and taken AC to the shed.
"wait until cross 2007 to decide if his cross performances live up to his track credentials, and if they don't, then they don't. "
It means he can't run fast w/o a mexican or two in front doing the work while he reaps all the rewards!
It means he's a pacer not a racer.
webb is in a different league than any other american runner.
he could spank them all, save lagat, over any distance 1500m to 10k.
rupps 27:30? good performance. but if my memory serves me right, webb ran his first ever 10k at about that same time.
we should realize we've got a huge talent in webb - he's got the range of saïd aouita.
sure, he can't beat dopers like ramzi. no one can. but he'll run hella fast:
1:44, 3:28, 3:45, 12:50, 26:55
mark my words, letsrun.com posterchilds.
To all runners jealous of Galen Rupp,
There is a painful yet simple reason why you criticize Galen Rupp and also why his name is in the news and your name is not: he is faster than you. It is ironic to note that if you were as fast as Galen Rupp you probably would not be wasting your time criticizing other runners because you yourself would understand what is required to become a world-class athlete. You would also feel better about yourselves if you were as fast, although basing your self-worth strictly off of running performances would be a self-destructive and superficial way to live your life. Be that as it may, all you runners - and I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually are runners - must not forget that Galen has the two crucial factors necessary for success: talent and discipline. It takes talent to run 100-plus miles a week (i.e. your body physically being able to withstand the taxing training) and to run your last lap of a 10000 meters in 60 seconds; it takes discipline to train day in and day out, through injuries/sickness, and make sacrifices like not going out on the weekends and binge drinking. (Most of you wish you could run 100 miles a week and if you have even had the opportunity to try it you probably have gotten injured). Keep in mind these factors are required regardless of any alleged drug/steroid uses which by the way have yet to be proven. If Galen were to die or quit tomorrow, he will have already accomplished spectacular and impressive feats. In other words, he does not have to prove himself anymore simply because he already has laid down some incredible times. People would not be less enthusiastic if Lance Armstrong only won 6 Tours instead of 7 – or 2 instead of 1 for that matter. The fact is that Galen has competed with top collegiate and world-class athletes and we should applaud that. Also, in response to these “advantages” that are being carelessly throwing around, y’all have not articulated what they are, and even if you do you fail to realize one important fact about sports: just as really good college football players get access to the best resources, facilities, and trainers, so too do top runners. Solinsky, Mcdougal, Withrow, Ritz all have enjoyed access to top-notch physical therapy supervision and their coaches aint half-bad either. So when it comes down to it, there are no “advantages” that Rupp has over other top collegiate runners. And even if he does have access to an underwater tredmill, he has earned that privilege because of how well he has performed. If you are a crappy JV runner on some non-competitive high-school track team, there is no reason nor justification for you to have access to an underwater tredmill. Instead of wasting your time online criticizing Galen Rupp I suggest you get outside because your time would be better spent running. If you want to stay inside and play the intellectual game then I suggest you read the genealogy of Morals by Nietzsche and learn about how people with less power develop a sense of ressentiment (no I didn't spell it wrong) towards people in power, forming attitudes of blind jealousy and mindless hatred. Maybe you would realize how you resent the fact that Galen is better than you and you could come to terms with feelings of insecurity. When you beat Galen’s time of 27:33, tell me. I will be equally impressed and will defend you against people’s illegitimate claims. So on that lovely note, I defy you: go on, keep criticizing Rupp, in the end you will only be getting what you want, not what you need.
You already posted this lame brained slop on another thread, nice try.
The Nietzsche reference is as dumb sounding as it is erroneous. Quoting Nietzsche from the judgemental perch of moral authority... now that's ironic.
You and anyone else who can't bear having your idol critisized or made fun of are simply blathering, victimised babies.
Get a life, love Rupp in private, or be a man about it.
whatever man wrote:
Ah thanks man. I KNEW I could count on someone to find a way to put a negative spin on Rupp and Hall.
I'll pick that nit with you.
How did up-and-comer Fasil Bizuneh do at Worlds XC and London and how did Ryan Hall do against the world's best at London?
I didn't put a negative spin on Hall. I complimented Hall. Reread my post.
Web is nothing compared to Hall....Web can run great at college meets...he can run great on a small stage..against other American and B standard internationals....but against the world's best....he crumbles....unlike Hall...who took on London...Targat, Geb, Kahlid, Meb, Baldini, etc, etc...and took the lead at 35K.....Do you think Web would do this? He hasn't yet.....let's hope he can come Osaka and 2008...
You and anyone else who can't bear having your idol critisized or made fun of are simply blathering, victimised babies.
Get a life, love Rupp in private, or be a man about it.[/quote]
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I love this bit, it's so confusing and spicey at the same time. Some strong venom.
What I like is that in order to be a fan or support someone, you MUST also idolize them.
I nominate this poster for the "RUPP Basher Support Group Hug of the Year" which obviously earns him a giant hug, but will also see this lucky poster in an all expenses paid trip to Happy Mac's Heavy Petting Zoo. Since recent research has shown that petting is extremely therapeutic for bashers, haters, stressers and whiners, the Heavy Petting Zoo has been booked up a half year in advance by approximately 30% of posters from letsrun.com. This fortunate poster skips to the front of the line!
smartass wrote:
Eggondaface wrote:Laptop, $1,200.
ISP, $20.
Rupp haters getting silenced, priceless.
For everything else there's letsrun message board.
Go Rupp!!
Go Ducks!!
Down with the Haters!!!
Whatever...
One great race, thats it, for now. What really matters will be known by 6-24.
Is Rupp suddenly going to become consistent?
That would be great, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
We have about 54 days to find out...
Yeah, actually he is suddenly going to become consistent. Wait, he already has. Were you not around for XC in the fall when he placed 2nd behind Rohatinsky at the early Oregon Invitational, won PAC 10's, got 4th at West Regionals, and got 6th at NCAA's?? Did you not note that he ran 13:38 indoors behind Solinsky this past winter, then ran 13:30 2 weekends ago, and then ran 27:33 last weekend? He's been consistent all year, and before then he was unhealthy, and before then he was consistent when he ran 28:15 and got 2nd in the 10k at NCAA's as a freshman- the year after he put up a 13:37. Now, do you expect a person to be consistent when they're not healthy? How does that make any sense? If you're going to talk smack about a runner, at least back it up with some logical rationale.
always wondered when he would uncork a big run. When I saw him open up 40 yards on Torres, the national 10K champ in less than a lap, I had the same feeling as seeing Webb when he set the mile record in high school. He's a big time stud.
Rupp, Hall, Webb, all blazing at the same time!
BroFromAnothaMo, posts like yours are the reason i come to letsrun so often. every once in a while i'll question myself on why do i keep coming back to this silly website? and then i see a post like yours and everything becomes so clear. so all i can say is thank you and keep 'em coming...
BroFromAnothaMo wrote:
You and anyone else who can't bear having your idol critisized or made fun of are simply blathering, victimised babies.
Get a life, love Rupp in private, or be a man about it.
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I love this bit, it's so confusing and spicey at the same time. Some strong venom.
What I like is that in order to be a fan or support someone, you MUST also idolize them.[/quote]
Where exactly does the post you reference say, or even infer that "in order to be a fan or support someone, you MUST also idolize them"?
Just wondering, because letsrun has its share of Rupp detractors, supporters, and even idolizers.
Not that hard to differentiate.
irun wrote:
you do know that all last school year (2005 - 2006 school year), rupp was having some kind of thyroid problem where he had to start taking some medication...
thryoid meds you say, blood doping i say. you should see the track marks on his thigh...damn that thigh strap.
Some excellent points Chavez. Also, it should be mentioned that most of Alsalzazars charges have mysteriously found themselves continually injured or quite sick, etc. Dan Browne lost a season, Goucher is either hurt or always 'has the flu', etc."Last year was kind of hard," said Rupp, a six-time all-American in track and cross country. "Every race, I just wasn't feeling good. I had a lot of health issues."Abertoballs likely has his HGH cocktails pumping through the altitude tents as his runners sleep, and of course there is fall out. Ritz was probably even getting some through the air forced treadmill he was throwing 130 a week down on, with a stress reaction of course.I hope Ritz stays away from Smellsazar when he moves to Eugene.
Error wrote:
I think people probably tend to suspect Rupp as "doping" because of his history and the coaching going on over there at Oregon. I think after Rupp's "pro year' after college, then into Oregon people started to wonder about him and ask questions of eligibility and "where'd he get those shoes from?". Then of course you got Salazar coaching him and no one really knows what's going on over there between those 2 so people probably think Salazar's slipping something into his Cheerios.
come on, seriously wrote:
I may be displaying my lack of knowledge, but when did Haile G ever seriously compete in World XC?
Rupp, on the other hand, like most of the Oregon team, took NCAA XC pretty seriously and he did ok, but not on par with his other results.
Point being, anything you take on seriously you have to prove yourself in, and I'd say that competing in Footlocker and NCAA XC and not being able to win either win despite much faster track times is indicative of his not competing up to par on the cross country course.
Track and cross are 2 different things surprised you did not know that. Its like saying that a swimmer does not have the mental toughness to succeed because they sucked at water polo.
Bashers and fanboys, two sides of the same bandwagon coin. There is no separating the two, both are inevitable and both have their faults.
BroFromAnothaMo wrote:
Holy moley fellas, I need a hug. I just watched that Cardinal 10K, and it was like a slug in the gut. Everything we've been saying Rupp couldn't do, he has totally rocked in the last couple weeks.
I mean we're talking mud in the shorts, water in the eyes and that uncomfortable tight throat feeling for us guys.
We need to stick together, because it's dangerous out there for us right now. We don't really have a foundation at this point, kid of like sitting on a rocking buoy in a bad storm, jussa hopin' some boat will come by.
Man, we're outta ammo right now. I mean we've been wailin on about how he hasn't improved since high school (cleverly forgetting to admit that his high school level was NCAA championship finals material) and now he goes and does what those durned Rupp lovers have been claimin all along........that he is at the big level. Yeah sure he stomped Pac-10 cross and Regionals last year, and sure he ran some negative split 28:15 10K as an 18 year old and then got 2nd at NCAA's after leading a great deal of the race, but we were able to ignore that stuff.
I've got a bad feeling this time though guys, I don't think our old Ostrich trick is going to work.
Wwwwwait a second, we still have our old standbye. Rupp has unfair advantages! He has unfair advantages, so that should......well yeah, that should reverse his performances. Add some time to his 27:33 and put him behind Solinsky in those 5K results because he trains too hard with too much preparation and amenities. No other American whatsoever has access to those things, so diminish his times.
Let's just call him professionl, a 20 year old professional with every advantage and no disadvantage (and lets forget about age when we say that.)
Ok fellas, group hug. Arms around eachother and here we go...!!!
Be sure to act on your rock solid convictions and turn in any drug cheats to WADA.
"You and anyone else who can't bear having your idol critisized or made fun of are simply blathering, victimised babies."
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Where exactly does the post you reference say, or even infer that "in order to be a fan or support someone, you MUST also idolize them"?
Just wondering, because letsrun has its share of Rupp detractors, supporters, and even idolizers.
Not that hard to differentiate.[/quote]
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Is this a serious question or are you just checking to see if we are on acid? Or are you on acid? You did ask where did it even infer right?
Let me ask this, where does this thread infer that any of the fans are idols? If you are on acid your head is about to blow up.
[quote]yadda yadda yadda wrote:
Bashers and fanboys, two sides of the same bandwagon coin. There is no separating the two, both are inevitable and both have their faults.
So yer saying.............?
Don't have a point? Don't be a fan of the sport or the runners in it? Be a casual observer with out any thoughts? Whatever? Bah humbug? Blah, blah? Yo diddly? Neither here nore there? A little of this and a little of that? Run in around in a circle until things straighten out?
Is it better to support or to bash? I'm not sure I would equivilate the two.
Don't be stupid. If you're going to bash bashers then don't forget about their diametric twins, the fanboys. Both degrade any semblance of intelligent discussion of the sport. Nobody paralleled (wtf is "equivilate"??) support with bashing, that's a dumb suggestion. Informed criticism and informed support should be equally welcome, blind criticism and blind support should be equally vilified.
Why wasn't Ritz is this race?