Webb is friggin awesome, but I think he does occasionally get overexcited in these big races and commits tactical errors. Didn't he say the same thing in his post race interview?
Regardless (or should I say irregardless and start a whole new thread?) Webb is one of the best milers when he's on.
realfan144 wrote: Webb went with the rabbit, ahead of Lagat and Mottram early. 56.1 quarter. Mottram pushed the pace and fought with Lagat, about 2:58 at the three quarters, with Webb already out of it. Lagat accelerated and dropped Mottram with 80 meters to go.
Yup, that's pretty much exactly how it went down.
Probably the only 4 minute stretch I managed to keep my eyes off the women pole vaulters.
jscott wrote:
Let's not forget that Mottram is peaking now, as it is summer in Australia; and Webb's ultimate success is NOT in the mile. Remember, he's run a friggin 27:40 10k +/- for cryin out loud.
Hoping you're not serious.
Involve yourself in the sport before making claims that make yourself look like an utter ass.
Before tonight Mottram had been on the track for all of 3000m since World Cup last year ... the 3000m he ran in Boston last weekend! This has been mentioned in numerous articles in the last week but even if you missed them anyone who knows anything about the sport and about Mottram/Bideau's approach knows they've been in Falls Creek getting strong and bashing out the kilometres.
Last year was a bit anomalous with the biggest race of the year coming in March. Mottram was super-ready then and has said it himself that he struggled toward the end of last season, running on fumes a bit, before getting back in touch with the strength work and scalping Bekele in Athens. Last year's unique situation aside, Mottram has had zero consistency issues. No one's trajectory is as steep as his right now and he'll be in the mix come Osaka.
Again, none of this is inside information. All of it can be gleaned from paying attention. Please do this in the future instead of making uninformed posts.
All the top Aussies and Kiwis peak for the Down Under season.
you mean the Aussies and Kiwis don't even 'run their own season' anymore? sad. I remember when Peter Snell, Ron Clarke, Kerry O'brien, Dick Taylor, John Walker, Rod Dixon, etc, would come run some indoor meets in the US, fresh off their seasons down there and run some very fast times. They would peak twice a year back then, once in Dec-Feb, then go back to base work and then peak again for the June-August season in Europe.
Buster couldn't hold a candle to these greats.
God, how many stupid tactical mistakes does Webb have to make before he wises up? Here's a guy who has been running since his freshman year of high school and he has yet to learn basic racing tactics. On the other hand, Mottram really seems to make all the right moves in his races. He's never complained of the African's using team tactics and he's managed to beat them at their own tactical games on many occasions. Hell, he almost nipped Lagat today after base training and one 3000m. Give me Mottram over Webb 9/10 times at 800 or mile and 10/10 above that.
I hate Quantas wrote:
All the top Aussies and Kiwis peak for the Down Under season.
The ones that are competitive on an international level will not - i.e. Mottram, Benita Johnson, Jamieson now, etc. Last year was an abberation due to the Commonwealth Games being in March.
Just had a look at the some of the Flocast videos (those boys are doing a great job and getting better) and when Mottram is talking to Lagat about the two races he's going to run in Australia he shrugs them off and makes note of the fact that he runs them, "so people can see me run in Australia." Merely checking the box at the national championships to ensure selection for World Champs. As someone said earlier, the competition is not of the highest quality and it is typical for Mottram to win in around 14 mins.
zorbo wrote:
Mottram was in prime form for CWG's last year then pretty much fell apart over the summer. Consistency is not his thing at all. Maybe this year will be different.
I would say his summer wasn't all bad. Remember, he did beat Bekele at the World Cup, which certainly made up for a lot (at least in my opinion).
Word, dawg.
Webb pulled a 2:10 for the last 800.
I hate Quantas wrote:
Buster couldn't hold a candle to these greats.
Obviously you have a bitter bug up your ass. Snell, Clarke, Walker, and Dixon all had distinguished, lengthy careers. How old is Mottram--26?
Kerry O'Brien? Dick Tayler? You gotta be kidding me.
At any rate, Mottram's 26, the same age as Albert Pujols. Pujols isn't the greatest hitter of all-time yet but before it's all said and done, he will be up there with the all-time greats.
So will Mottram. He's got 3 more shots at the Olympics and he's just getting started.
You better get used to getting your head handed to you on all the future Mottram threads.
Lagata is 6" shorter than Bustah and has that Millrose track dialed in his sleep. For Mottram to hang with him like that is a major breakthrough for his career as a miler. He just keeps stepping up.
I really don't think this race should reflect that much on Alan Webb's fitness for an outdoor mile/1500. He just hasn't learned how to adjust to the Millrose track yet. Lagat and Mottram have far more experience and that is all it is. Webb will be back trust me. Although, I have to admit,Lagat is looking good for an American medal in the 1500 come Olympic season.
Yeah, Webb is racing the mile at Tyson next weekend. I'm sure he'll be back and true to form. The track and leading and that opening lap mustve been what killed him. No one has made it sound like he was injured or anything like that, so it was just a bad race, no big deal. He'll have a lot more races to get into good racing tactics and mentality. It just would've been nice to see Webb race one out with some good competition.
seriously, how racist is this message board? lagat wins, lets all talk about mottram vs. webb.
Webb is like some hot high school cheerleader. At the beginning of the year, all the boys are in all of him, but after a few slutty races, few want to admit they ever liked him.
Buster will soon be overtaken by Willis
Nick Willis is ready to overtake your man soon. Craig better look behind him, here comes Nick.
Yah, how seriously racist is it when the Heavy Favorite wins as the Challenger not even running his best event nearly pips him while the Prodigal Son implodes again. Great job, Kip.Now, where were we?
cd429 wrote:
seriously, how racist is this message board? lagat wins, lets all talk about mottram vs. webb.
while millrose may not be the biggest stage, it is the biggest indoor meet. webb's recent performances on the big stages.
2002 - 1500m ncaa final outkicked, not bad could have been worse
2003 - some kinda surgery appendix/spleen something like that
2004 - out in the first round of the olympics
2005 - blows his wad in the 1500m WC final with 700m to go and fades hard
2006 - injured
2007 - so far millrose is the biggest stage and he runs 404.....yeah its a tight track but he lost to lukezic by 3 seconds when he beat lukezic last week by 5 seconds. i hope he gets it together soon because you have to be on your game every single race in the olympics or WC.
ernard ran well at Millrose. The man is a champ
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