This has got to be one of the more ridiculous posts on letsrun these days.
And that's a lot considering the 4:30 Miler's insanity.
This has got to be one of the more ridiculous posts on letsrun these days.
And that's a lot considering the 4:30 Miler's insanity.
So Mcdougal lost on purpose to "secure" a win at nats? I can't remember but I think it was said "Never let a losing mentality creep in" Some american who ran the olympic 5k said that about 40 years ago.
College imports wrote:
So Mcdougal lost on purpose to "secure" a win at nats?
So you're saying that you have never seen an elite distance runner (including Olympic 5,000m runners) "coast" through a qualifying round in order to save themselves for the final?
banojo's points are on the right track. At some level, McD will suffer for his choice of schools. Poor coaching, social-emotional environment, religious fanaticism, inadequate equipment and travel budgets, inferior training partners, anemic academic environment, etc.
McD still wouldn't be undefeated if he were at Arkansas, Wisco, Colorado, or Stanford, but he'd be a heck of a lot more likely to perform to his potential at the big meets and after college if he were part of a better program.
whatever strategy mcdougal was planning for nationals will probably be even crazier now. most people would assume he would go for it from the gun but now that he lost i think he will go out super fast. im guessing that he comes through the mile in 4:30 or faster and keeps on hammering. i wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 8k well under 23 minutes. the question is would anyone be with him and could he possibly hang on.
well under 23 minutes? not happening. He can't do that in an 8k race. Look at prenats: he ran 23:14.
banojo wrote:
Josh: 21
Korir: 28
Josh: goes to a crappy school where religion beats out scientifically proven methods of recovery
Korir: gets the best treatment imaginable on every knick knack pain he gets.
Josh: doesn't get paid a penny, has to eat crappy religious food
Korir: gets paid and eats the best food Kentucky has to offer, which aint that bad if you've been there
Josh: doesn't get that much attention
Korir: gets alot of specialized, personal attention.
Josh: Lynchburg frickin' sucks
Korir: Kentucky is better.
I'm assuming you are being sarcastic with this post. Anyone who actually believes these things doesn't know much about Liberty and Eastern Kentucky.
SAVE JOSH MCDOUGAL!!
How do we get Josh out of that whacko school/cult he joined?
Korir gets plenty of protein from EK horsy burgers
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nice times for girls wrote:
banojo's points are on the right track. At some level, McD will suffer for his choice of schools. Poor coaching, social-emotional environment, religious fanaticism, inadequate equipment and travel budgets, inferior training partners, anemic academic environment, etc.
McD still wouldn't be undefeated if he were at Arkansas, Wisco, Colorado, or Stanford, but he'd be a heck of a lot more likely to perform to his potential at the big meets and after college if he were part of a better program.
You actually think that the points that banojo says are correct?
Josh: goes to a crappy school where religion beats out scientifically proven methods of recovery
Korir: gets the best treatment imaginable on every knick knack pain he gets.
What does having a Christian curriculum have to do with getting treatment for sports and with the athletic training department?
Josh: doesn't get paid a penny, has to eat crappy religious food
Korir: gets paid and eats the best food Kentucky has to offer, which aint that bad if you've been there
Josh eats a completely normal diet.
Josh: doesn't get that much attention
Korir: gets alot of specialized, personal attention.
Josh gets plenty of attention.
Josh: Lynchburg frickin' sucks
Korir: Kentucky is better.
This is nothing more than an opinion, but just for the record, there is some great running in virginia.
I think banojo was being sarcastic with his post, but it sure sounds like you really believe these points to be true "nice times for girls". As for your points: what makes you think that Josh has "poor coaching"? He is being coached this year by a former Stanford and Nike Farm Team runner who was coached by Vin Lananna and is a multiple time all-american and world cross team member. "Inadequate equipment and travel budgets"-I don't know about Liberty's budget but I doubt it's that much different than Eastern Kentucky's. "inferior training partners"?-Liberty has a better team than Eastern Kentucky so I don't get this point at all.
banojo wrote:
Josh was probably resting too btw.
On another thread, a poster who was at the race stated Josh was visibly struggling and tried to win. It sounds like he actually lost. I always knew he svcked. :)
I was there too. Right after the 5 mile mark Korir's Kenyan buddies yelled something at him in Swahili. He put in a surge after that and started to drop Josh. Josh hung on until about 800 or less to go. I don't know if Josh ever pulled ahead at any point. The conditions were cold, strong wind, and very sloppy muddy course. It looked like Josh shut it down with about 300 to go and coasted in.
But McDougal was also out running the night before.
I think you just beat out banojo and those Harvard p u c's for most ridiculous post of the year.
nice times for girls wrote:
banojo's points are on the right track. At some level, McD will suffer for his choice of schools. Poor coaching, social-emotional environment, religious fanaticism, inadequate equipment and travel budgets, inferior training partners, anemic academic environment, etc.
McD still wouldn't be undefeated if he were at Arkansas, Wisco, Colorado, or Stanford, but he'd be a heck of a lot more likely to perform to his potential at the big meets and after college if he were part of a better program.
I don't know about anybody else, but I think im ready to see an American win nationals again. I am sick of seeing foreign runners dominate nationals...well I guess I better get used to it
So what if Josh believes in fairy tales? As far as I know, Josh doesn't go around hate mongering like his school's president, so I don't see why anybody cares that he attends a subpar academic/athletic institution. He's not hurting anybody.
Korir had been injured late spring and through the early part of the summer. As I said before, he will be fit by the end of the cross season. Korir should be top 3 at Nats and I look for him to win at the longer 10K distance.
low talker wrote:
Korir had been injured late spring and through the early part of the summer. As I said before, he will be fit by the end of the cross season. Korir should be top 3 at Nats and I look for him to win at the longer 10K distance.
I agree. Korir is really underrated. I don't know how Jacob Korir could not be considered a major threat to win nats this year.
What I was saying about banojo's moronic comments is that they are on the right track---right track meaning, McD goes to a terrible school for a runner of his status. Certainly Eastern Kentucky would be no real improvement---although they have had their share of studs. Transferring from Liberty to Eastern Kentucky would be like transferring from the 4th level of hell to Darwin's waiting room----he should have gone to Stanford, Wisco, Colorado, Arkansas, Iona, Providence---somewhere that has tradition, funding, a healthy social-emotional environment, appropriate coaching, etc.
Do you disagree with this?
McD is one of the best U.S. runners in awhile---he isn't in the right place. That said, if he wants the pseudo-religious environment, then he is probably missing a necessary psychological component for success.
I am not religion bashing here---I believe that spirituality, God, and religion can be a very healthy and necessary part of one's life. Liberty is something entirely different. Disagree---do a little research. Liberty makes Oral Roberts look like the essence of reason.
Nice times for girls wrote:
What I was saying about banojo's moronic comments is that they are on the right track---right track meaning, McD goes to a terrible school for a runner of his status. Certainly Eastern Kentucky would be no real improvement---although they have had their share of studs. Transferring from Liberty to Eastern Kentucky would be like transferring from the 4th level of hell to Darwin's waiting room----he should have gone to Stanford, Wisco, Colorado, Arkansas, Iona, Providence---somewhere that has tradition, funding, a healthy social-emotional environment, appropriate coaching, etc.
Do you disagree with this?
McD is one of the best U.S. runners in awhile---he isn't in the right place. That said, if he wants the pseudo-religious environment, then he is probably missing a necessary psychological component for success.
I am not religion bashing here---I believe that spirituality, God, and religion can be a very healthy and necessary part of one's life. Liberty is something entirely different. Disagree---do a little research. Liberty makes Oral Roberts look like the essence of reason.
Can you "cut to the chase"? I don't understand what you're getting at (for the most part). Thanks.