Fisticuffs at Big 12's?

he cut the course by himself.

Go check his bio on CU's site for yourself.

you obviously have no idea Brakely, i was there at Big 12's two years ago when the OSU runner was Dq'd an saw him confront the K-state runner who pushed him outside the tree that caused the disqualification...the K-state runner knew he was in the wrong and apologized, OSU has gotten a bad deal in 2 of the last 3 years, luckily it has not cost them a place at either meet; if Jankowski was to be DQ'd this year, Heinonen should have been as well, he blatantly tried to trip/injure Jankowski and was extremely apologetic during and after the race...maybe if Wetmore and the CU team took the time to realize THEY were in the wrong this time they wouldnt have tried to make OSU and Jankowski look bad...Wetmore showed no class as he berated the OSU runners tactics and didn't even take the time to listen to his own runner apologize and admit he was in the wrong; I have lost all respect for the University of Colorado and Wetmore, he has proved to be one of the biggest hypocrits and pricks i have ever witnessed, i hope people realize this guy is not a god as he and his runners disgrased his university this weekend...

You are an illiterate moron, having (or losing) your respect is probably inconsequential, at best.

Sucks to get your ass kicked by CU every year huh? Keep crying...

You obviously have no idea. I RAN in the race, and was behind Joe Gray when he cut the tree. You come up the hill, and take a sharp left, in which he went straight. Didn't cut off a whole lot, probably about 3-5 seconds. Blatant cheating. He tried to say that the KSU runner pushed him (Which he did), but it was at a TOTAL different point in the race, and TOTAL different part of the course. Seriously, obviously an official saw what happened, disqualifications don't happen often, so unless he truly cut off a good chunk (not just from a litte push) they wouldn't have DQ'ed him. I saw it with my own two eyes, so YOU have no idea.

Another interesting thing to note is that KU and Texas were tied in the team scoring until The DQ. So the situation between between the Colorado and Oklahoma State team affected the Texas and KU team.

Should KU really lose a position because of what a OSU guy did to a Colorado guy?

I was also next to Joe Gray when the 'cutting' of the course occurred. It was actually after you come up a hill, like you said, but you take a RIGHT not a left as you stated...

I vividly remeber the official standing by the chain-link fence, with a wind-breaker and baseball cap on, off to the left hand side of the course. The official was holding a clipboard and noted something on it as Gray was shoved out toward the tree, due to his momentum Gray had no choice but to go outside of it or run right into it. Plus, the cut only subtracted 1 second at most. Due to the official's angle he could not see what happened, only that one runner cut off that corner. Sucks for OSU, but it happens sometimes.

As for this year. I agree that either both or niether should be punished in the incident.

b-real homies wrote:

jankowski is a hockey name - hockey players fight - so is it really fair to DQ him?

You're right. He should have gotten a 2 minute minor for roughing.

Ger Ovr Hur wrote:

Should KU really lose a position because of what a OSU guy did to a Colorado guy?

Ah, the perils of invitational-style scoring.

coachkritter wrote:

Questions?

How do you try to trip someone, while running a race. In 40 yrs of running I've never seen it done, except by accident, and both parties are equally likely to fall.

Why did Chesang finish 12th? Because he sat on his ass for 6mo. And his fat cousin is even more worthless.

You have never seen someone try to trip someone else during a race? are you serious? I mean I'm not saying it happens all the time but especially in track at the beginning of a race if someone gets jostled a bit too much I have seen it happen plenty of times. Just stick your foot out a little bit.

when was the last time you went to ANY sporting event and a foul or penalty of any kind was called not by an official who actually witnessed the foul but by an official 45 minutes after the foul took place and based only on the second hand account of a coach or coaches who themselves did not witness the event?

As far as I know in all of track and field, cross country or any other sport such a foul MUST be called by an official.

No official witnessed this event. Neither did any coach (not that any coach should be able to make a call in a competition). Neither did I. I don't know exactly what happened. I heard all the rumors. Don't know which are true, but still without an official making the call neither athlete should be penalized.

The next time my high school team runs, I will just claim that three runners from an opposing team punched them in the kidney's during the race. Should they be disqualified?

What a moron! If a kid walks home from school, is jumped, and comes home with a broken nose, we should ignore it because there were no witnesses???

No sense wrote:

The next time my high school team runs, I will just claim that three runners from an opposing team punched them in the kidney's during the race. Should they be disqualified?

Yes, if only because you misused an apostrophe.

Yeah ok, he would have a broken nose.But what? maybe he was looking for trouble !

Look at the army in Irak, they atttacked first and now soldier are getting bullet in their asses, whose fault is this!!!

the fact that people are attempting to show sympathy for KU finishing behind Texas humors me. if you look at the results, Texas would have won the tie-breaker either way (they're 6th man was ahead of KU's 6th).

hi ha wrote:

Yeah ok, he would have a broken nose.But what? maybe he was looking for trouble !

Look at the army in Irak, they atttacked first and now soldier are getting bullet in their asses, whose fault is this!!!

Rumsfeld's. To ask soldiers to do police work in a war zone shows complete and utter disregard for the lives of American soldiers....Never, ever, should soldiers be wading amongst the civilians, it is always a job for the local police. WE DON'T BELONG THERE. BRING THE BOYS HOME.

I agree that that was a dumb move. But I am curious, did an official on the course DQ him, or was this the result of a protest by Coach Wetmore?

Pure logic wrote:

Then what really happened at K state 2 years ago?

The pushing incident and the course cutting incident were not related. Joe Gray was DQ'd for cutting the course, he was not pushed off of it.

this was a result of Wetmore's protest...OSU followed by protesting trying to get Heinonen disqualified as he was admittedly at fault for the incident but was unsucessful, it took forever for the final results to get posted; and by the way Kansas would have beat Texas for second as in the Big 12 a tie is broken by each team scoring runners one on one: KU had a better 1, 2, and 3 and would have been second if not for Jankowkis' diqualification, convienitely it went the other way