Kenny did have a great race at NY. Interesting that his 10k best is over 28:00 and he was basically a steplechase runner. That good NY came after some months in Sante Fe and with many 20 milers on his treadmill at 10MPH 2% grade. That would sure make a 2:09 over ground seem less than boring.
With Sell's last few marathons, I'd actually be disappointed if he didn't run 2:09:xx or faster. The expectations are going up.
The NBA does indeed crown the world champion, period. The Olympics and WC's are not a good representation of who is the best. The NBA doesnt give a shit about it. And when one loss sends you out its totally pointless. IF they held a playoff series in the Olympics the Americans would dominate. One loss means shit. Just recently the 76's who have recently been mediocre in the league beat the defending European League champions. Our league's average teams can beat their champs. If Pistons/Spurs played the best the world could come up with then they would win 9/10.
American born record is a legitimate record. Also Boston will always be considered aided. Go take a look at how many people ran a lifetime best during the year that Kempanian ran 2:08. I believe he finished 7th.
Sell will not run 2:09. He has simply trained too hard and will not be factor come race day. You wait and see and then remember where you saw it first.
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If Craig Mottram applies for US Citizenship and cranks out a 12:55 5K many on this board will not complain that he is not a natural born citizen. Because he is white.
You're WRONG, in pretty much every sense of the word.
Well you certainly couldn't be the President of the good 'ol USA if you were born overseas while your parents were on holiday!
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Remind me again where Frank Shorter was born.
Hey dumbass, Shorter's father was in the army. LOTS of army brats are born overseas. He was born to American parents on an American military base.
how about we use the same restrictions that are placed on those wanting to be president of the US. no naturalized citizens such as KK or AA, but rather those born into citizenship like those born in the continental US like brian sell, or say those born on US soil abroad like shorter. Deal?
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jahosaphat ngeti chumbawumba!!!! HAHAHAHAHA good one
there shouldnt be restrictions on the official records, the principle behind this country is one of openness and welcoming to all comers intending to become as active part of our community
that said though, what people percieve as the American record is entirely up to them and theres nothing wrong with keeping lists such as: natural born american record giving people such options
personally I wont consider it the american record if lagat breaks kennedy or scotts records...the guy came over here in the twilight of his career after having competed internatiionally for another country...but theres nothing wrong with people who are more open to it...they can percieve the record how they wish
Chicago has acknowledged the american born record at chicago at 2:09:32, also mentioning sell has a chance to break it.
Khalid Khannouchi had only modest track credentials and was a no name runner when he came to the U.S. Like most immigrants, Khalid came here looking for a better life. He was married to an American woman, and working as dishwasher; he started to move up in distance and the longer the distance the better he got. Khalid spent many years in the U.S. training by himself and running local road races; all of his significant achievements happened many years after he came to the U.S.
Becoming an American citizen is not a simple process, if it was easy you wouldn’t have so many illegal immigrants. Becoming a U.S. citizen is longest and most bureaucratic processes you could imagine. You have to pass an exam, it cost money; the INS has fees and most countries also make you pay money to them for giving up your citizenship. Some of the eligibility requirements are:
• A period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States
• An ability to read, write and speak English
• Good moral character
• Knowledge of the principles of the U.S. Constitution
• Favorable disposition toward the United States
That’s one reason why I am not in favor of simply making people who came here illegally citizens. If U.S. citizenship was simple you would have hordes of Africans representing us. Guys like Med, Abdi, Khalid, Lagat and Sidney Maree did not become U.S. citizens to capitalize and their athletic ability. Sidney Maree came here to escape apartheid in South Africa, Meb's came here as a child fleeing the war in his homeland, Abdi is from Mogadishu, Somalia-no explanation s/b necessary; Lagat has been living in the U.S. since he was 19, he is now 30 years old and has surely given Kenya his best years. Lagat anchored the U.S. distance medley at the Penn Relays and lost to the Kenyans; he said that was one most difficult losts of his career because he wanted to win for the U.S.
As an American, I under the romanticism of having someone who was born here and shares your heritage representing the U.S., but if any of us go a few generations back, you will find that you more in common with these guys than you think. I am not in favor of nation jumping, but you can’t blame someone for wanting a better life for themselves and just so happen to become a great athlete. It is noting wrong with being Black and feeling an extra sense pride seeing Tiger Woods tear up the golf course or being White getting a little extra excitement about Jeremy Warier’s success in the 400. But, to take away from Tiger or Jeremy because they don’t look like you do is the same as taking away from like Meb because his citizenship was obtained differently.
I hope Adbi breaks the U.S record in Chicago, but I will be cheering for Brian Sell, Clint Verran, Torres and all of the other AMERICANS as well.
Are you implying that being US-born (not American-born, as da Costa holds that record) is a handicap?
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you probably still support the articles of confederation too, jack ass.
I would like to have a word with your high school history teacher.
No, why should the criteria for one have carryover to the other?
how bout this wrote:
how about we use the same restrictions that are placed on those wanting to be president of the US. no naturalized citizens such as KK or AA, but rather those born into citizenship like those born in the continental US like brian sell, or say those born on US soil abroad like shorter. Deal?
Actually, Lagat has been "over here" since before most visitors to this site even started running, and clearly long before most visitors to this site managed to master their native tongue.
Martin ran that time for 2nd place at the '89 NYC behind Juma Ikaanga's awesome 2:08. The American hope for that race was supposed to be Mark Nenow, but I think he dnf'd. That was a huge race for Martin, who I believe was more of a 2:12-2:14ish guy before that race. What is actually quite amazing is that he was only 1:30 behind Ikaanga and at the time, that was probably the best marathon performance ever, superior even to Dinsamo's(sp?) Rotterdam WR.
I was wondering why Wejo let this ethnocentric crap keep going despite any number of "report this thread" commands---UNTIL I read his Chicago Marathon preview that references the American Born Record that Sell may or may not be going for...what?
American born record? Sorry idiots. There is only one kind of American citizenship. You are or you aren't. And save for this outdated---born is the USA thing for the U.S. presidency (which will be overturned if Aahnold ever wants to run for President). To the whitey who thinks his Americanism is better than somebody else's, congrats on coming out of your momma's vagina---you should be proud of all of your efforts to become an American.
There is no American born record except for some KKK, John Birch Society, redneck creation used to hide all ya'lls hatred of folks who don't look like you (and by the way who keep this f-ing country running---).
I don't say this without some serious consideration, but reading this thread elucidates the reason that people from other places hate us----cuz some of us have our heads stuck up our white, upper middle class asses.
Citizenship is a thing of the past---unless you are talking about citizen of the world.