Synthetic testosterone found in Landis sample, report says

quote]KnowItAll wrote:

Stunning wrote:

Sometimes something goes wrong and someone gets caught. Like when Tyler Hamilton and Santi Perez got the wrong bags of blood and therefore tested positive for homologous blood transfusions. If they hadn't messed that up, they never would have gotten busted. Because the tests are easy to beat.

You, dear sir, are an idiot. Though the two Phonak riders both got busted for the same thing, they do not have compatible blood types and therefore it would be impossible for them to have "mixed up" blood. If they had done that, they would be dead!

And for the other poster that suggested that Landis was blodd doping and somehow his stored blood got tainted with testosterone, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Maybe the guy that slipped stanzol into Ben Johnson's beer injected testosterone into Floyd's bags of blood?[

Nutter wrote:

And for the other poster that suggested that Landis was blodd doping and somehow his stored blood got tainted with testosterone, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Maybe the guy that slipped stanzol into Ben Johnson's beer injected testosterone into Floyd's bags of blood?[

The suggestion is not that someone slipped testosterone into Landis's blood, but that Landis removed the blood when he was taking testosterone. This sequence is the common understanding of the reason for Martti Vainio's positive steroid test at the 1984 Olympics.

Pytheas wrote:

The suggestion is not that someone slipped testosterone into Landis's blood, but that Landis removed the blood when he was taking testosterone. This sequence is the common understanding of the reason for Martti Vainio's positive steroid test at the 1984 Olympics.

Ahh... yes now that is more making the sense. I jumped on the idea of "tainted" as meaning shouldn't have been there, but indeed if he was doping it and screwed up the timing, etc. that is possible.

Nutter wrote:

You, dear sir, are an idiot. Though the two Phonak riders both got busted for the same thing, they do not have compatible blood types and therefore it would be impossible for them to have "mixed up" blood. If they had done that, they would be dead!

And for the other poster that suggested that Landis was blodd doping and somehow his stored blood got tainted with testosterone, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Maybe the guy that slipped stanzol into Ben Johnson's beer injected testosterone into Floyd's bags of blood?[

I didn't mean to imply that Tyler got Santi's blood and vice versa. Only that they got the wrong blood (not their own). So you, dear sir, are an idiot. Go jump to some other wrong conclusions and assumptions. I have a jump-to-conclusions-mat right here.

But here's the REAL question......Would a TESTOSTERONE INJECTION of ANY kid provide hime with ANY benefits in a 12-24 hour period. NO WAY! You can't just take the testosterone and feel like superman....This isn't Popeye's Magical spinach......It's NOT EPO either......We're talking Testosterone.....Personally, I think it was planted in the sample by a t'd off race official that saw thier hopes of a NON-AMERICAN winning the Tour de USA National Anthem dashed.....They knew he was going to be tested since he won the stage...Top 3 are ALWAYS tested....Here's the deal....He was tested at MINIMUM 3 other times.....

1. Opening TT Stage....What was his testosterone then.

2. Big Mountain Win (Where the Failed result came from)

3. Two days later after placing second in the TT.

Now, what was his Testosterone level after that race....If he doped on Stage 17, it would still be in him at some detectable level 2 days later. How come he hasn't failed that test...Why only stage 17???

Good points, KidStallyn! I sincerely hope that Floyd joins forces with OJ in a quest to find the real doper!

If the Testosterone Don't Fit You Must Acquit

KnowItAll wrote:

I didn't mean to imply that Tyler got Santi's blood and vice versa. Only that they got the wrong blood (not their own). So you, dear sir, are an idiot. Go jump to some other wrong conclusions and assumptions. I have a jump-to-conclusions-mat right here.

You, dear sir, are correct. I shall come jump on your mat with my O-Face. Oh! Oh!

KidStallyn wrote:

But here's the REAL question......Would a TESTOSTERONE INJECTION of ANY kid provide hime with ANY benefits in a 12-24 hour period. NO WAY! You can't just take the testosterone and feel like superman....

You ever juice? Didnt think so or you would not have made that comment. 3 mls. of 300 mgs/ml Test prop and you will feel like you can lift the moon.

Nutter wrote:

Pytheas wrote:

The suggestion is not that someone slipped testosterone into Landis's blood, but that Landis removed the blood when he was taking testosterone. This sequence is the common understanding of the reason for Martti Vainio's positive steroid test at the 1984 Olympics.

Ahh... yes now that is more making the sense. I jumped on the idea of "tainted" as meaning shouldn't have been there, but indeed if he was doping it and screwed up the timing, etc. that is possible.

So is the pattern to use testosterone but only give blood to pack back in after the this clears out and he just happened to have the blood taken before it cleared? How to you make sure you don't have testosterone in the blood for the random blood tests?

He is not really helping himself by opening his mouth.

$ wrote:

americans shouldnt be ashamed. EVERYBODY in the top 20 was doped to the gills and our boy just happened to have a shitty team doctor. 9 positive tests from phonak in 2 years!

except Lance Armstrong, never forget that

"As Lance said: 'If you just would used my lawyers and doctors to help with the waiver, it would have covered anything they could possibly have found in your test... not only cortisone. By the way, who on God's lovely earth came up with 'degenerative hip condition' as an excuse??? For someone competing in Tour de France??? Must have been one of the dumbest ideas in human history..." Foyld Lindass

indiorunner wrote:

You gotta wonder though, Tyler Hamilton gets caught with drugs, now this guy...both former lt's of Lance Armstrong.

It's usuallly who you associate with that gets you in trouble.

As they say:

"If you go to bed with dogs...

...you wake up with fleas..."

$ wrote:9 positive tests from phonak in 2 years!

one wonders if all pohnak's protestations will fall on deaf ears

What if he was taking testosterone the entire time, but he screwed up his epidestrone (sp) on the morning of stage 17 so that the RATIO was out of whack?

"You guys don't understand HOW HARD it to remember WHAT TO TAKE after having downed a lot of beer and whiskey..." Foyld Lindass

Guys,

A snapshot of the chemical balance of a person's body can tell you a lot about their mental and physical wellbeing.

So surely, if the various chemical balances of a person's body ( -- eg his testosterone to epitestosterone ratio -- ) is that far out from normal bounds, then would it not make sense that the person's behavior, performance, etc, would be effected in some way by it?

In other words, I am maintaining that the effect of these hormones on anyone's system would be immediate.

Yeah, muscles take months to build via testosterone, but these chemical imbalances can have other effects too. Emotional highs and lows, making the person more impulsive, more aggressive. Energy is physical as well as mental.

I am not looking at any hard scientific facts here, and maybe I should be. Can anyone come up with any hard facts on studies of the immediate effects of testosterone, rather than just hearsay or anecdotal evidence??

PS. I think many posters to this board are paranoid or even xenephobic. Every other posting is about jealousy because an American is winning this or that... victims of a conspiracy. Let's address the real issue for a change.

Nutter wrote:

Ahh... yes now that is more making the sense. I jumped on the idea of "tainted" as meaning shouldn't have been there, but indeed if he was doping it and screwed up the timing, etc. that is possible.

Which means that you, dear sir, are an idiot.