former buff (no you don't): I never said iron injections were illegal.
former buff (no you don't): I never said iron injections were illegal.
i would still say her 5k pr is suspect...so they don't really correlate. She had very little recovery time between races too. Drugs do help you recover much faster. Again, another red flag.
There's no reason anyone should have to vouch for her being clean, but unfortunately track is a sport that whenever you have a big breakthrough or run a great time some people get suspicious. That being said, anonymous internet posters "vouching" for someone as clean without giving their real name doesn't count for much.
no way is her 5k pr suspect. look at her college times!?!?!
Mmmmmm, she's hot.
She had not done much since 2000 until last summer after she had been working with Alberto for a while..that is suspect. If she was running these times not being coached by alberto I would probably not think anything of it and if she been consistently running well the last few years...but she hasn't.
So, by your logic, Tegenkamp is on drugs too then? I mean he's dropped 21 seconds this year. Just admit you don't know jack shit. You'll feel better about yourself, promise.
It really sucks that a thread about some very nice times degrades to drugs....
I think that IAAF, USATF, NCAA, WADA, IOC need to develop better ways for clean athletes to establish patterns of physiological parameters.
First up in distance running would be hemoglobin concentration, hematocrit and serum ferritin etc.
More expensive would be rEPO tests, and the antibody testing that Tyler Hamilton failed for blood doping.
Labs could be certified and random out of season testing.
Results should be made public.
Post-race testing results made public also.
If someone (male) post-race has 55Hct but had a winter time, out of season test of 42 then test further, something is fishy.
If someone has a 55 out of season, test further to establish if it is natural.
If they test 42 in winter and 42 post-PR then they deserve praise not doubt.
But, testing costs a lot of money. Sponsors????
F*** YOU ALL. She's not on drugs, she's just really GOOD.
Not everybody is on drugs, you dimwhit.
Considering all the workouts i've done wth her over the past 8 months. She definitely can run those times. She works very very hard. And I'm a dude.
where there is smoke... wrote:
i would still say her 5k pr is suspect...so they don't really correlate. She had very little recovery time between races too. Drugs do help you recover much faster. Again, another red flag.
The funniest thing about dousche bags like yourself - who go around recklessly spewing bullshit about how this runner and that runner uses drugs - is that Kara Goucher and others are accomplishing great things, making a lot of money and working at a career they enjoy, while you continue to be a loser who has nothing more constructive to do then accuse others of taking drugs because they are coached by Alberto Salazar and ran a fast time in 2006 after several of struggling. I guess a runner has to be as shitty as you for you to not accuse them of taking drugs.
I love all the allegations about Salazar without any basis in fact. Show us the proof that Salazar or any of his athletes use drugs. Some of you love to allege drugs anytime someone who is coached by Salazar has a strong performance. When they have a poor performance, you all just assume that they forgot to take their drugs that day.
You do not know the Gouchers and therefore, cannot make an assertion that either of them use drugs just b/c they are coached by Salazar.
I did not see any allegations about Teg yesterday when he ran a 13:04. He has had a 20+ sec improvement just this year. Maybe, just maybe runners improve from consistent (injury free, smart and focused training.
Bostonbilly wrote:
I love all the allegations about Salazar without any basis in fact. Show us the proof that Salazar or any of his athletes use drugs. Some of you love to allege drugs anytime someone who is coached by Salazar has a strong performance. When they have a poor performance, you all just assume that they forgot to take their drugs that day.
You do not know the Gouchers and therefore, cannot make an assertion that either of them use drugs just b/c they are coached by Salazar.
I did not see any allegations about Teg yesterday when he ran a 13:04. He has had a 20+ sec improvement just this year. Maybe, just maybe runners improve from consistent (injury free, smart and focused training.
mary decker from AW, salazar on prozac (legal i think)
they are not eating fish n chips to run those times.
maybe she don't even know what she is on. and women response better than men -- ask the chinese. (but what i don't get is why african men response better than european or asian men).
Something is fishy in Oregon wrote:
So can a new coach who sees "shades of grey" when it comes to "drugs".
"Diet and nutrition is an integral part of an athlete’s training program, and it is generally
accepted that it is not possible to get all the nutrients an athlete needs to train at the required
level from eating only regular food. In order to recover adequately from strenuous workouts,
prevent injury, and ward off sickness, athletes believe that they must take supplements. At
what point do these supplements cross the line and too closely resemble or mimic a banned
substance? This is a very gray area that needs much clarification."
Whooooah! Salazar is clearly doping his athletes if he believes that the banning of certain ingredients in supplements needs more clarification. In no way did you take something out of context in a long article thus ensuring few would read it all, then use it as an argument. (Well actually the argument came out of no context at all since the words "shades of gray" and "drugs" don't appear anywhere in that article). No, you effectively proved Kara Goucher's guilt. Too bad, she seemed innocent.
Your skills in rhetoric are indeed unmatched, and you are not in fact "a total dumbass" even though you said you were "a total dumbass" in an earlier thread that does not exist.
Move to altitude, cheat with a tent or cheat with drugs - there is no other option! Haahahaha!!!! Say no more Al!
"Altitude training is absolutely essential," Salazar said. "Any athlete who wants to be competitive in the world scene would have to move to altitude or cheat by using an altitude room or taking illegal drugs."
And that, in a nutshell, captures Salazar's I'll-try-anything enthusiasm. Not everyone in the running community shares it. "I'm sure there's lots of equipment out there that I don't even know about. I just use the things that I understand," says Joe Vigil
But Salazar won't stray from his innovate-or-bust training formula. "The plan remains doing whatever is necessary to create winners. We'll think out of the box, not just for the sake of being different but to find what really works," says the coach. "I know this is the way to go."
Funny how many angry, suspicious guys you find when a chick beats their PR.
MarathonMind wrote:
Yes. Amy Rudolph ran 31:18 last year at Palo Alto, with Elva Dryer in 31:21, so Amy drops to 3rd all-time.
Lynn Jennings and Katie McGregor are right behind Amy at 4 and 5, and Dryer 6th.
Pending drug testing results, of course.
Looking at one of those lists I can't believe that Marion Jones has broken 50 in the 400m race... it was back in 2000 so i guess it would have been possible due to "drugs"
I think that anyone who would train with Mr. Goucher would improve dramatically!
Congratulations to Ms. Goucher on the excellent 10km race in Helsinki. If she plans it right she could possibly break the American record next year.
Jaosn