MT and BK have the same agent and access to training camps.
MT and BK have the same agent and access to training camps.
afjldsfjoiwjdjoiafed wrote:
Chocolate,
You obviously have no idea what it means to be a winner. I'm guessing you've never won a race in your life. What an idiot you are. You know nothing about this sport. Thats probably why you're so bad at it.
What does my racing career have to do with whether or not Nurmi is one of the greatest runners ever? I'll go win a race right now...hold on a sec...there, I'm back now. I just saw someone running down the street and I ran past them and beat them to the end of the street.
Instead of you just spewing hate, why don't you tell me how I'm wrong. How is Paavo Nurmi a better runner than Ryan Hall? His times are slower, so he was slower. You can't bring up championship victories because the competition was inferior. Way more people run now, so it's like comparing a Division I school to a Division III school. Nurmi was the best of the Division III schools. He was great against that competition. He is not an all time great. Coe gets to remain an all time great because his times are still among the best ever. Geb is, Tergat is, Bekele is, but Nurmi? No way. Not even close.
hrunner wrote:
you're lost pal... times are not run in a vacuum, meaning what other people are doing and training technology, etc. matter a lot
what does to be better mean, do you think if the genetic twin of paavo nurmi had been 40 years later he would have only run 14 for a 5k... yeah right
get a little perspective and stop spinning the crap that comes out of your mouth
First of all, what a runner ran is what a runner was. If you start throwing in excuses about poor nutrition or track surfaces or the sun being in your eyes, then that's all they are...excuses. Secondly, it's fair to mention technology changes, but to say that Nurmi would have gone from 14 minutes to 12:something is silly. If he couldn't do that, then he's not one of the greatest ever.
There are just so many more people running now than when he did. It's like he won the Rhode Island State CC title, but now he'd have to compete against all those kids in California. He's just nowhere near the best ever. He should be talked about only in terms of how great he was compared to the other runners of his day. To compare him to runners of today is like saying a 1740s farmhouse in rural Virginia is as technologically a marvel as the Sears Tower in Chicago.
So let's say Leonardo was a moron because he didn't know how an internal combustion engine worked. Let's say Descartes was stupid because he didn't understand that existence precedes essence. And while we're at it, let's mention the fact that Babe Ruth, who drank and smoked and over-ate, probably couldn't have hit Pedro Martinez with a two-by-four, and Bronco Nagurski -- Bronco wouldn't even start for a good Texas junior college these days, because I seriously doubt the man ever broke 5.0 in the 40.
You have to put all of these performances, and all of these individuals, in their context, wonder boy. Paavo Nurmi dominated his time the way that Geb has, at every distance from 1,500 meters to the 10K. There is no question that he's one of the greatest distance runners of all time.
Jim Thorpe? Jim Thorpe's times and distances wouldn't even qualify him for the NCAA decathalon nationals, much less Olympic gold. But then, smarter people than you have voted him one of the greatest athletes of the twentieth century.
If Bekele ran during the 1920s..do you think he would have ran 12:37 for a 5K and 3:33 for a 1500?
If you don't think so, then your argument that "time is everything" is untrue; he would still be the exact same runner. He would still win lots of race, but his times would be much slower.
And if you do think he would have ran them times in the 1920s, then you are a complete idiot!
If Bekele ran in the 1920s, I doubt he would have broken 14 minutes for 5K or 29 minutes for 10K. Everything was different. If your logic is correct, than why didn't someone come along and completely demolish the world record from like 14 minutes to under 13 minutes? Records slowly progressed over time because things change. But champions would still be champions in just about any generation. Nurmi may not be able to beat all the african runners of today, but I bet he would for sure be a contender. He would not be running 14:20s like he did 80-plus years ago.
How about laying off of the senseless comparisons and fictitious scenarios???
Teg should be very, very flattered to even be compared in the same breath to Bob Kennedy! Kennedy had a great career and Teg has a chance to beat his times (that 3k will be the toughest). I am partial to tough Midwesterners, so Teg, Ritz, Kennedy, Broe, Ryun, and Virgin are some of my favorites!!! Go Teg and continue to make us proud!!!!!!!!