I think I remember hearing someplace that he had changed his training for this year since its not a WC or OLY year. Maybe that might be what it is. For me the only reason this is concerning is this race was run on July 1. It's easy to in May say oh yeah well its early wait till later this summer. Not so much once July has started.
This race is in less than a week. I don't think Webb is going to show up for it if he were in bad shape...
5000m :
- Kenenisa BEKELE (ETH)
- Alan WEBB (USA)
- Markos GENETI (ETH)
- Sileshi SIHINE (ETH)
- Ali ABDOSH (ETH)
- Gebre-Egziabher GEBREMARIAM (ETH)
- Moses MOSOP (KEN)
- Adebe NEGERA (ETH)
- Craig MOTTRAM (AUS)
- Boniface KIPROP (KEN)
- Mike KIGEN (KEN)
- Joseph EBUYA (KEN)
- Alistair CRAGG (IRL)
if i were him wrote:
if i were webb i would rather run a 3:46 in practice than in front of people.
You're a coward. I'm so tired of the "only race when you're ready to PR mentality." It's bullshit and I've been trapped in myself at times. Stop falling in love with your training diaries and toe the line every now and then. Sometimes you're gonna have a bad day and sometimes you're going to lose, but you still gotta race. One of the best ways to become a better racer is to race - even if you have a bad one every now and then. Yes 3:46 sucks for Webb, but be patient.
To paraphrase a quote by Shorter, what makes Kennedy so good is he isn't afraid to go over to Europe and get hammered.
Nippleman wrote:
I think everyone agrees that 10k was a mistake. In future he will probably stick with the 1500. He is a miler pure and simple.
your an idiot
he's not a "miler pure and simple"
hes a distance runner who currently concentrates on the mile but can run very good 5000 and 10000
i hate this "stick to your event" mindset that currently resides in US distance running, and nowhere else...its retarded, to run world class at the mile your have to be able to be world class at either the 800 or the 5000...I think we can all agree webb does not have a 1:43 in him to furthing his potential in the 5000 is the only way hes going to get there
and in the end lets face it...Webb is a very strong miler with no kick...hes got no chance to medal in a tactical championship race over 1500...he may be able to kick with the 5000 guys though if hes strong enough to be there with a lap to go
[quote]malmo wrote:
"The benefits of training are accumulated from overlapping periods of time. In a broader perspective the years add up. In a more general perspective, the aggragation of the current year's training adds up. Webb has had an outstanding current year training. Little bumps in the road like injuries are just bumps in the road - they don't set a highly trained runner back all that much. The current results are not a reflecton of long term fitness. It doesn't take long for things to get clicking again.
Most of you read WAY to much into results. If Webb is over his hamstring problem, look for things to turn quickly."
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Malmo,
Your wisdom is profound - revealing depth of experience. Unfortunately, many readers (herein) lack perspective to recognize the truth you express.
Supplement: Competing (not just running) in a race motivates a "true athlete" to attck further racing and training with a vengance. Instead of moping around, Webb is doing something proactive. He's getting "in the game" once more. Tinman
The problem is just the opposite. US distance runners are all over the place. They should first master one event than move up. Why is Ritz moving up to the Marathon? You would think he would first want to make a mark in 10,000 at the World Championship or Olympic level. At least our Spanish milers know what event they should run.
Nippleman - Spanish adult site developer. Most of my subscribers are Americans. You like smut.
there have been 5 runners added to the race, so the paris 5k now has 18 runners.
toro wrote:
I don't understand why he would skip USATF and even line up in a race one week later.
Nothing came out of that race other than damaging his confidence and confirming there is no rhythm in his cadence.
He could normally jog two laps, touch his toes, go out in 2:02 and run 3:46 any time of the year in any conditions.
This isn't even a workout.
He skipped USATF because he wasn't ready and probably should have stayed away from any races for now. I'm sure he'll be fine but has to learn how to listen to his body. I hope he got some money out of this.
exactly. read flyn and why they skipped. now look 1 week later. i conclude that webb and his team are not a team. they are floundering.
Leonel Manzano is the next 3:50 miler! And Gabe Jennings is back baby!
Webbster88 wrote:
This race is in less than a week. I don't think Webb is going to show up for it if he were in bad shape...
5000m :
- Kenenisa BEKELE (ETH)
- Alan WEBB (USA)
- Markos GENETI (ETH)
- Sileshi SIHINE (ETH)
- Ali ABDOSH (ETH)
- Gebre-Egziabher GEBREMARIAM (ETH)
- Moses MOSOP (KEN)
- Adebe NEGERA (ETH)
- Craig MOTTRAM (AUS)
- Boniface KIPROP (KEN)
- Mike KIGEN (KEN)
- Joseph EBUYA (KEN)
- Alistair CRAGG (IRL)
maybe his intent in running 3:46 was to practice his 5k pace for next week?
Tinman wrote:
[quote]malmo wrote:
"The benefits of training are accumulated from overlapping periods of time. In a broader perspective the years add up. In a more general perspective, the aggragation of the current year's training adds up. Webb has had an outstanding current year training. Little bumps in the road like injuries are just bumps in the road - they don't set a highly trained runner back all that much. The current results are not a reflecton of long term fitness. It doesn't take long for things to get clicking again.
Most of you read WAY to much into results. If Webb is over his hamstring problem, look for things to turn quickly."
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Malmo,
Your wisdom is profound - revealing depth of experience. Unfortunately, many readers (herein) lack perspective to recognize the truth you express.
Supplement: Competing (not just running) in a race motivates a "true athlete" to attck further racing and training with a vengance. Instead of moping around, Webb is doing something proactive. He's getting "in the game" once more. Tinman
so tinman and malmo, you guys both agree then that this race as a good thing, and that webb accomplished something positive here, and he is feeling good, not bad? if you two are examples of the very finest caoches in our land then we are doomed. nothing about this performance is beneficial to webb. he cancelled out of nats just 1 week before and clearly ran this event for all the wrong reasons. and tinman, you once again presented yourself as high and mighty, better than all the rest of us. no wonder so many people get pissed at you.
Chuck B wrote:
maybe his intent in running 3:46 was to practice his 5k pace for next week?
Yea, hopefully so. Or at least just to stride out a decent 1500M to sharpen up some, without risk.
Tinman wrote:
[quote]malmo wrote:
"The benefits of training are accumulated from overlapping periods of time. In a broader perspective the years add up. In a more general perspective, the aggragation of the current year's training adds up. Webb has had an outstanding current year training. Little bumps in the road like injuries are just bumps in the road - they don't set a highly trained runner back all that much. The current results are not a reflecton of long term fitness. It doesn't take long for things to get clicking again.
Most of you read WAY to much into results. If Webb is over his hamstring problem, look for things to turn quickly."
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Malmo,
Your wisdom is profound - revealing depth of experience. Unfortunately, many readers (herein) lack perspective to recognize the truth you express.
Supplement: Competing (not just running) in a race motivates a "true athlete" to attck further racing and training with a vengance. Instead of moping around, Webb is doing something proactive. He's getting "in the game" once more. Tinman
You're just making excuses for him. You didn't see El G. running 3:40 1500 races,(14s off his p.r.). He waited until he was in top form to race. Elite athletes shouldn't need a bad race to motivate them. Part of the reason they are elite is their fanatical dedication to training. I remember Seb Coe saying something to the effect that he made his workouts so tough that races felt easy in comparison. He raced infrequently, but when he did race he was ready. I do not see how running a 3:46 helps Webb either physically or psychologically.
didn't el g get 7th in a 3:37ish race in 2004 before the olympics?
food for thought.
I know he had a sub-par race that year, but was he really 7th in 3:37? Regardless, that was an anomaly in his 10+ year career, and still a better performance than Webb put out.
oh my god, he had a bad race after a long flight and wanted to test out his legs after having not raced in awhile. who the hell cares? if he messes up in the GP meets then we know something is up.
Nippleman wrote:
US distance runners are all over the place. They should first master one event than move up.
Why?
Ge wrote:
scooooooooter wrote:one of the most inconsistent runners ever
Lets see, ALL of last year he ran solid races. Hell, he even made the WC final. He gets injured and now he is the most inconsistent ever? WTF?
ONE of the most, you're changing his words around.
Well either way Hall beat him, and Hall is not training for the 1500.
Re:
I wouldn't say Webb trains lightly, though I know what you mean. His mileage is low for a 10K runner, however his plyos, weights and other work is pretty intense. Seems from the outside he wasn't ready for the 10K like you say.
starmiler wrote:
It was strange about that outstanding 10K performance. For someone who trains as lightly as Webb is alleged to do, I wonder if that race, which was an absolute killer in terms of effort, didn't do something to his body. Which led to his training getting messed up. As talented as he is, maybe that Cardinal 10K was something he was not prepared to do, despite the excellent result?
the "webb camp" has said they are trying to do some things like mottram has been doing which so far has included the cardinal 10000m and racing various distances and whatnot, however it seems webb does not do the mileage which contrasts what CG outlines in the below.
MR: I was going to ask about that. It seems like you’re ready to run good races at a variety of distances no matter what time of year it is.
CM: Yeah, I’m fit pretty much all year round. At the end of the European season, I rest a bit, but I still run every day, because I like going out for a run and I just like feeling fit. There’s no point in the year when I’m not fit or I’m putting on weight or anything like that.
Your observation that I’m in good shape for several distances throughout the year is because my aerobic fitness is good all year; the base is always there. The basic principle is a lot of running, longer reps and pace runs. There are maybe only six weeks in the year when I’m not at 150 to 170 kilometers for the week. I don’t go much below 140 kilometers a week even when racing in the European summer. Our year runs 12 months—we have commitments in the Australian summer, when it’s winter here. So I’m not someone who lets the volume drop much throughout the year.
qoutes from goucher and broe also seem to indicate they are training more like mottram as well. there was a thread a while ago that discussed how the recovery after the cardinal 10000 might have been the problem for webb. so looks like webb might be strong enough to race but not compete for a season. not sure when he is going to start being more like mottram that way. wasn't he going to run 800s next year?