CareerAdvice wrote:
And another thing..when did he turn into ET.
I have to admit that I was pretty shocked by that photo, too. Not the best advertisement for our sport.
But the fact that he may look like a space alien does not constitute a good legal argument for withholding the money from Matt.
CareerAdvice wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/extremes/ci_3903140And another thing..when did he turn into ET.
Geez, that's the worst picture I've ever seen of him. Freaky.
I think some are getting confused as to what the reason was Matt had for not becoming a USATF member. I don't think he thinks it's stupid to have to pay $15 to win $1000 (obviously not, you're still up $985). He has some sort of beef with the USATF itself, and thus, doesn't want to support it or be associated with it by becoming a member.
You guys are being jerks. Here is a better picture.
Katy Lied, that made my day. I was laughing out loud. Hilarious!
I can't decide who looks goofier, Carpenter or that kayaker...
Matt Carpenter is a Denver hippie!!!!
1. he ain't from denver.
2. i guarantee he could kick your ass into last month in any given distance.
Hey Matt! Just pay the USATF Fee next time you dumb ass! You know if it's a USATF event, you have to have a direct payment licnse. If your so against USATF, then don't compete in USATF events.....
I think the altitude is messing with you brain!
Clint, are you paying for the drinks?
Mtn Dew wrote:
Katy Lied, that made my day. I was laughing out loud. Hilarious!
hahahahahahaha
USATF has no business screwing around with trail running. Do you see the major 100 milers in the US begging for validation from USATF? No! Ultra-trail running has nothing to do with running around in circles like a lab rat.
DOon't tell me WELLS posts on here. How the hell did he get pwned by a master's guy anyway? He was a 27:56 10K guy!
Great point, I will show up to Matt's race when it is full and toe the line without paying and eat the stuff after. I'm sure he will love that. Advice to Matt, pay the $15 shut up and run fast.
1. Avacodo et al are spot on on his issue.
2. If this had been Bob Wood or Dan Grimes, this would not have happened. Bill Roe is a discredit to the sport and the position he holds.
3. I've been in this exact situation where I went to a race and was told after the race I needed a USATF number to collect prize money. There were about three of us who rummaged through our bags for enough old/expired USATF cards to come up with some numbers. We were never checked. Obviously not as high profile as this was.
What a shame this is our sport.
shameful-In my experience (writing the checks, not winning them unfortunately) USATF allows you to file for membership if you're in the money at a race and aren't a member beforehand. Not sure if they allow this everywhere, or if Championship races are held to a different standard, but for the marathon I work this is absolutely the case. I can tell you that one of the plusses from a race director standpoint is that USATF will handle the IRS paperwork at the end of the year. If you make over $600 prize money at a race you're going to need to get a 1099 tax form at the end of the year (is it still $600?). Since most race directors aren't in the accounting game this is a decent ancillary service that USATF provides.
I respect Carpenter's principals, have read a fair amount about why he believes what he believes and I think he's got a lot of good points. The problem is that until mountain running/ultras break away from USATF and form their own governing body they're stuck with USATF's rules and administration. In a lot of cases they also receive the benefit of USATF's insurance policies, which cannot be understated. Without insurance you're never going to be able to have any kind of large scale or high level organized races. Like it or not you want to play the game you got to pay the price.
In this case, from the little I've read, I feel that Carpenter is saying a lot about his principals. I'm sure he could use the $1000, but with his sponsors and lifestyle it's not like he's not going to be able to eat by taking a stand for what he believes.
d2xccoach wrote:
The problem is that until mountain running/ultras break away from USATF and form their own governing body they're stuck with USATF's rules and administration. In a lot of cases they also receive the benefit of USATF's insurance policies, which cannot be understated. Without insurance you're never going to be able to have any kind of large scale or high level organized races. Like it or not you want to play the game you got to pay the price.
I'm not sure that you understand the legal issue here. If the race organizers have advertised that the first-place finisher gets $1,000, then the first-place finisher has a legal claim for $1,000. It doesn't matter what USATF's "rules and administration" are, it doesn't matter whether the race is receiving the benefit of USATF insurance policies, and it doesn't matter whether the first-place finisher is a paying member of USATF.
apparently it does matter though, huh?
Obviously Carpenter is not a genius, and will probably pursue a lawsuit against USATF, suing for 1000 while spending 5000 in legal fees.
Genius-
Uh, don't you think if Carpenter sued he'd be asking for his legal fees to be paid as well? And I've yet to read anything/hear anything from him about a lawsuit.
And to the other poster talking about Clint Wells getting beat by Carpenter, when are some of you going to get it. Clint Wells ran 27:56 for 10K on the track (a few years ago). Carpenter ran 44 and change for a very tough trail course. These are completely different disciplines, and Carpenter has excelled at trail running and high altitude mountain events throughout his running career. This should take nothing away from Clint Wells.
I'm pretty sure if you win more than $500, you need to have a DPL or they will take taxes out in advance. That's how it was when I ran for money instead of getting my ass kicked by the kids I coach.
If he wants it, Capenter could get free representation on this issue. Plus, he could attach fees since USATF is so gregiously in the wrong here.
