The drafting advantage is 1.6's per lap for a 2 to 3 meter following runner... This is 6.4's for the mile... The drafting advantage can be up to 4.32's per lap for a closer drafter. This equals 17.28's for the mile. My original #s were conservative.... If you don't believe the experts go to the track and try it in a sub 4:00 mile...
Vipam wrote:
The three greatest distance runners of our generation: Haile Gebrsellasie, Paul Tergat, and Kenenisa Bekele never act like they couldn't be beaten. I agree Mottram is a talented runner but his ego seems to be bigger than his talent level. I enjoy watching and hearing when Nick Willis runs well and surprised he was able to hit a personal best in the Mile in January. After the Commonwealth games I hope he takes a break and slash his 1500m/Mile personal best later in the summer.
Mottram wasn't saying he was going to beat Bekele at World Cross. He said he was going to beat Willis.
Given his record, not such a tall order.
Dr J wrote:
Spokane Inane wrote:By "sucking on Mattran's draft" Willis ran 6 to 16 seconds faster than he would have if Mottran had used Willis' tatic...
"6 to 16 seconds faster..."
Talk about pulling #'s out of your ass, not to mention, talking out of your ass. If you really believe that, than you are a complete moron.
"I will take him down next time." Um, that's pretty cocky. That's like saying: he got lucky today, next time, he won't get so lucky.
Take your beating like a man Mottram. I didn't hear Sihine and the other Africans saying they will "take you down" next time, even though smart $ says they will.
Your smart $ would have lost, Mottram beat Sihine in Boston.
Put in context, Buster also went from falls creek (no track) to the US for the indoor 2mile and back to Aus, then on to NZ. That's a bit of traveling, and if you guys know anything about the jetlag from Aus to the US (or Europe for that matter) it is always a game in how your body responds. Not much room for error in a mile, so he did well enough for this time of the year.
When someone is quotable, they get quoted. He's got all the tools (quotes included)
You are a f-in troll.
You obviously did not know how good Bird was, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that shit. I ought to smack the sh-t out of you!
wqer wrote:
You are a f-in troll.
You obviously did not know how good Bird was, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that shit. I ought to smack the sh-t out of you!
Hey, typical loudmouth dumbf*** from the East coast, I was being a smart ass and merely repeating what a lot of the "colored" NBA players felt and said themselves. But I'm glad I got a rise out of you anyway. Thank god Brian Shaw left the Celtics and went out West where he could win a championship.
so wait if mottram had someone to draft off of then he would run a 336-337 mile? damn he should be cocky.
And too bad willis is only a 408 miler. guess hes not that good after all.
Mottram may be cocky but you would never ever know here in the land of Oz.
The media coverage given some athletes in Australia is diabolical.
Most people ,who are not into running,in Aus.do not even know Mottram exists.
A sad Blight on Athletics Australia,s performance as a promoter of the sport here.
But to be fair they have to compete with.
The best swimmers,surfers,league players and cricketers.
Makes it kind of a tough exercise.
If and when Mottram moves up to the Marathon, then We will see what he is really capable of.
he's saying that willis would haveb slowed down the pace 16 had he been forced to run because that sets up a kickers race which favors him.
I think Mottram's cockiness is exactly what this sport needs. Personally, I'm sick of all these interviews with runners being all nice and respectful; talking about puppy dogs and ice cream...bla..bla..bla. We need more guys out there talking sh*t (kinda like this forum except in public). This would certainly make running a hell of a lot more interesting. When a guy like Mottram calls out Willis, thus creating a rivalry, it makes the next match-up at the Commonwealth Games all the more interesting!
can someone please define troll for me? i used to know what it meant, but now it is such an overused term that its meaning has been completely lost. now it seems to mean, anybody who defects from what you believe is a troll.
Dr Dumb, you seem like a classic case of "learing the theory" of running, but lacking a practical understanding of it!!! You say Dr J is no runner, your blind faith in these figures seems to indicate that you have very little experience yourself.
Get real buddy, these a merely figures and if you believe sitting on someone saves you 6-16 seconds then you are nuts!!
I would love to hear your excuses after a mile race!!
World Championships -- Helsinki -- - 2005
Willis Heat Results vs Mottram Final Result...
Willis' Heat 1 - Monday, August 08, 2005 - 20:05
Pos Bib Athlete Country Mark
1 631 Kaouch Adil MAR 3:40.51 Q (SB)
2 222 Casado Arturo ESP 3:40.61 Q
3 559 Kipchirchir Alex KEN 3:40.68 Q
4 753 Silva Rui POR 3:40.72 Q
5 226 Estévez Reyes ESP 3:40.73 Q
6 704 Willis Nicholas NZL 3:40.87
7 139 Sullivan Kevin CAN 3:41.00
8 308 Baala Mehdi FRA 3:41.34
9 617 Baba Youssef MAR 3:42.12
10 1011 Myers Rob USA 3:42.38
11 778 Cronje Johan RSA 3:42.77
12 267 Geneti Markos ETH 3:42.80
Official Results - 5000 Metres - Men - Final
Official Report
Last Updated: 19:42:27 CET 14/08/2005
Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 20:20
Pos Bib Athlete Country Mark
1 565 Limo Benjamin KEN 13:32.55
2 274 Sihine Sileshi ETH 13:32.81
3 32 Mottram Craig AUS 13:32.96
4 560 Kipchoge Eliud KEN 13:33.04
5 15 Saïdi-Sief Ali ALG 13:33.25
6 558 Kibowen John KEN 13:33.77
7 263 Bekele Tariku ETH 13:34.76
8 264 Birhanu Dejene ETH 13:34.98
9 587 Al-Outaibi Moukheld KSA 13:35.29
10 571 Songok Isaac Kiprono KEN 13:37.1
11 932 Kiprop Boniface UGA 13:37.73
12 691 Bakken Marius NOR 13:38.63
13 765 C'Kurui James Kwalia QAT 13:38.9
14 217 Tadesse Zersenay ERI 13:40.27
15 905 Naasi Fabiano Joseph
I.E.... MOTTRAM CAN SPRINT PRETTY GOOD TOO...
If I had to guess wrote:
Mottram is personable and smart and gregarious and quotable and, this loss to Willis aside, has accomplished enormous things in the last couple of years. Of COURSE there would be a letsrun thread criticizing him.
Exactly. It's amazing how people's perceptions take over their brains, especially from the other side of the world. No idea. People who will never achieve themselves wanting to bring down another. Makes those non-acheivers feel so much better about themselves. Can tell anyone from personal experience, he's along way from cocky but then again this is LetsRun. Does give me a good laugh to read the shit about him on these boards when you actually know the guy. Imagine he'd get a good laugh at the idiots on thses boards if he read it too.
I like Mottram. He's good and he knows it. I sometimes find Emily Pidgeon to be a bit like that - although less outspoken than Mottram!
I get the impression that for the most part he is very tongue-in-cheek though, and it's more of a friendly rivalry when he says that he's going to take someone on, rather than just being a c0cky pr!ck.
Exactly! Plus (& mainly actually) look at his performances in BIG races... He puts his money where his mouth is... How does Australia produce so many top distance guys anyway? They don't have the extreme winters like the U.S... This is a big advantage of the eastern Africans too. Willis is from the U.S. originally, right? His day will come. He is great for his young age.
Please post the link to the article.
Willis is a Kiwi!!
Also Mottram said he will have his way with Willis in the Comm. Games, what exactly does this mean, will he push him down on all fours pre-race and give it to Willis, or when Willis Kicks his arse will give Willis a BJ?
uhmmm
Willis is a Kiwi!!
Also Mottram said he will have his way with Willis in the Comm. Games, what exactly does this mean, will he push him down on all fours pre-race and give it to Willis, or when Willis Kicks his arse will give Willis a BJ?
uhmmm
Some of the best white runners have had overwhelming confidence. People sometimes forget that Pre, Al Salazar, Craig Virgin, and Pat Porter were accused often by others to have "big heads" and arrogance. Maybe true, maybe not, but the simple fact is all them, much like Buster Mottram, toed the line and took on the best without the kind of fear so many have now. Overseas, in the UK, for example many believed Seb Coe was arrogant. Maybe he was, I don't know, but the man did exactly what he said he would do - run to win!