Mondor Retires

darkness wrote:

You are a good guy Mike, but quit running at 22? Only someone who has never had running taken from them would say that.

I hear you are still banging out sub-15:30's, so I guess you don't know how it feels to lose it all.

Good for you, but yes, you do have a blind spot.

I second the above. The pleasure of running healthy transcends.

You must be from Mars to be so stupid and blind. that exact attitude has not helped Emilie...she needs help and people to be honest with her...that she is ill.

jfb7 wrote:

Did anyone notice how common low bone mass is in runners that train at altitude (Colorado...). Of course, you need to be inclined to have low bone density in the first place, but it certainly does not seem to help.

Cortisol is found to be chronically elevated while training at altitude (~catabolizes muscle, bone, fat, glycogen). However, it is difficult to distinguish whether this is because of the hypoxic stress, increases in training volume/intensity, and/or possibly because of increased resting metabolic rate. Irregardless, there are greater concerns with being at altitude, and cortisol is a marker of stress/recovery.

'Assimilation' disorder? I wonder if she gets enough Vit. D.

I'm no expert...but she looks pretty bloody thin, with a ridiculously low body fat here:

http://www.emiliemondor.com/photos/view.php3?id=61.jpg&gal=0&pg=3&count=54

not so sure about that gentic stuff. maybe a cheesburger would help?

It appears to be the usual OCD syndrome found in so many female long distance runners.

Unless you are living in a third world country, a 20 year old woman only has osteoporosis if she has some serious disease or has done it to herself. Eating disorders and overtraining are so common in this sport and have ended many bright careers too early.

If she is not too far gone, she could come back later.

She didn't look at all like that in high school. She was very healthy looking. She is not genetically that skinny (as she is in that picture). I think that it is apparent that she has some eating disorders.

First, I have had running taken from me, and while at the top of my game and right on the heels of a breakthrough into a very good level of racing. The maser running that I have been doing was a late in the game gift back to me. My best years never happened.

Two, if someone told me I could win a medal at the World Championships at 22 but then I would done, versus never winning a big race but being able to be a lifetime jogger: Man, I would not have to think about that for a second, to me running is a sport first.

I like to run, but I love to race and I run primarily to win races.

I could take up biking or swimming for recreational exercise and probably be quite happy for the rest of my life without ever jogging a step.

legally blond wrote:Unless you are living in a third world country, a 20 year old woman only has osteoporosis if she has some serious disease or has done it to herself.

This is one of the biggest problems with eating disorders: the perception that someone "does it to themselves." An eating disorder is a disease. No one would blame someone for getting cancer. A better example would be Alzheimers, a disease which affects the mind. The blame and guilt only make things worse. If Émilie does have an eating disorder (and it seems very likely that she does) getting over her denial will be the first step to recovery. The first part of that is recognizing that she has a problem. The second part is recognizing that it is a disease and that she needs to get outside help to treat it. You can't just turn it off.

This is a health issue, so lay off. There's no need to dump on her. The running community (such as it is on this board, at times) needs to support her. That doesn't mean denying there is a problem, but it also means not blaming her.

Greatwhite gave what is the most thoughtful, intelligent, kind response I've yet to read on the board regarding this subject. Thank you.

Yes....you area right.....she does need support. we are all so quick to judge...but she is ill and she needs postive response from the running community.

very good points

The real question is where does she stand in regards to Quebec seperating from the rest of Canada?Is she a seperatist?The public has the right to know.

Thank you very little.

You're guessing about anorhexia. But she is definitely amenorrheic and, whether caused by an eating disorder, high altitude, over training, or insufficient calories, it's the lack of periods that is messing her up.

We need to come to terms with the fundamental differences between men and women - and not make women train like men (unless they can continue to menstruate while doing so).