MY THEORY ON SUN JINGJIE'S "POSITIVE" TEST

objective person wrote:

"Take Radcliffe as an example of a clean athlete...."

I gave up trying to understand Ghost's reasoning after this statement.

Well, since you're suggesting that Radcliffe is 'dirty' - then why was she not able to produce the goods in Athens after the Marathon?

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wow...I always think your nuts...but you on are on the money in this one.......Like the Greeks, who won many more medals than ever every expected....and then they go to Helsinki and win.....oh yeah...they didn't show up

Like the US Swimming coaches, they know they are going to get crushed by the Chinese like the East Germany in the past....

this may be worse than that

this makes Barry Bonds look like Mary Lou Retton

how much do you think the drugs will help them?

MAYEROFF wrote:

Regarding Sun Yingjie's TRIPLE of Marathon, then 10km then 5km, yes I think that she could do this, without drugs.

The strength in the muscles and connective tissue that Sun Yingjie has developed over the years of hard training and racing would allow her to do this. Keep in mind that her 10km the day after her marathon was more than a minute slower than her PR (30:07). Could Gebresalassie run 27:30 the day after a 2:08 marathon? hell yes.

Jason

that is nuts. It is almost impossible to run 2:08 without doping and the next day you feel like you have died, you don't feel like taking a shot at a track 10k.

Speculating who might be on drugs or what they could do clean is ridiculous. It's been shown (by runners and cyclists who were caught) what EPO can do for you and it makes a significant difference. I am not going to speculate how much because that has not been proven with research. But athletes wouldn't risk getting caught if it only made a 5-10 second difference in a 10k. It makes a bigger difference than that. A big enough one that it can't be ignored.

You should know first hand that a 2:08/27:30 double is impossible without drugs and maybe impossible with them. Years ago, the only people tough enough to try such things were guys like Salazar (tried to simulate a double with a 27:30/2:08 double - nine days apart - but the order was reversed) and Treacy (actually doubled in the '84 Olympics with a weak 28:34/super 2:09 Silver - but again the order was wrong).

If Geb could pull off a 2:08/27:30 back to back so easily why didn't he ever run the MUCH EASIER 5k/10k double?? Why didn't he attempt the MUCH EASIER 10k/marathon double?? He would have been able to fully recover from the 10k and then tackle the marathon? The guys that have won the championship marathons in the last several years were not the super-champion that he is ... it would have been easy pickins for him.

S***, if the marathon is always last and he can run 2:08/27:30 one day apart ... well, why didn't he run the 10k/5k/marathon triple that Zatopek actually pulled off, and Viren almost did?

I'll tell you why: the EPO makes it too hard to beat every one in every race.

stupid statement wrote:

If Geb could pull off a 2:08/27:30 back to back so easily why didn't he ever run the MUCH EASIER 5k/10k double?? Why didn't he attempt the MUCH EASIER 10k/marathon double??

Because Geb runs to win?

If that double mentioned was possible for him, and he demonstrated that he could run 12:50/26:30/2:06 the last few years (which he has most years) ... then a 10k in 27:00-flat to 28:00-flat (the usual championship easy race) and a marathon 5-9 days later would be a cakewalk for him ... YES a cakewalk to win.

How many Global Champ. 10k's has he lost? Two I think.

How many sub 27:10 Championships (the comparable time to this Chinese woman) has he run? 2 or 3 I think? I could look it up, but most of them are closer the the aforementioned 27:30 than a WR-type race.

How many Global Champ. marathons were won in 2:08 (the time that he can easily run and rip off 25 laps in 66 each the next day)? None. Ever.

You believe that him running to win was preventing him from trying this? Or do you beleive that no man can run a 2:08 marathon and be out there for a 10k the next day?

'cuz I think that if a 2:08/27:30 is easy for you ... then a 27:00-27:10 race to win, then 6 days rest, then a 2:10 marathon to WIN would be a walk-in-the-park.

I just don't believe that the aforementioned double is reasonable for any man.

One might think the same thing has been done in your own country. Lesser sprinters being sacrifised for the best ones?

Not too many american sprinters/shot putters have been caught in the US. Europe is another thing.