DIII Cross Country 2007

Is this a UAA thread or a NATIONAL DIII thread? There are other conferences with good teams.

That doesn't mean that we should have a quota on the number of posts discussing any single conference. Anyone who wants to post about anything related to DIII Cross Country 2007 is free to do so on this thread. There just happens to have been multiple people on here within the past day who feel like discussing the UAA.

I'd rather see 40 pages discussing the worst DIII teams in the nation than any posts complaining about it. At least they're contributing something to the discussion.

"I'd rather see 40 pages discussing the worst DIII teams in the nation than any posts complaining about it. At least they're contributing something to the discussion."

Great point!

I'm guessing many posters aren't familiar with how the rankings "happen". All eight DIII regions have a regional rep, who ranks/rates teams in their region. They put forward their recommendation on potentially rankable teams to the committee (ie. should be ranked 20-25th range) then eight reps then vote on top 35 (assigning 35 pts to #1 team and 1pt to 35th). Since there are so many meets and results, many of the reps are going to vote based on recommendations, particularly if teams are racing w/in their own region.

The UAA is unique, in that they have teams in seven of the eight regions, so teams are being judged more against teams w/in their region, versus within the conference. So NCAA's rankings might not be very accurate at predicting UAA Championships... or even NCAA Championships! Anybody pick Allegheny for 3rd last year?

Rankings are surely one of the most entertaining things to discuss and debate, whether it's DIII XC or DI football. And I agree, I'd rather hear friendly debate on who the worst team in the UAA is, rather than mindless complaining.

I don't think anybody picked Saint John's to finish 5th last year either. They graduated one runner from that team, but they are only stronger this year. IF the Johnnies can stay healthy, look for yet another "surprise" finish at Nats on a course familiar to them: St. Olaf.

I think the comments about Emory are fair, they return just about everyone from a very young team, and I believe I recall a meet early in outdoor last year where they had 4 guys under 15.15? I would say that is a bit better than case, but this still does not explain why Wash U is so far down OFF the poll, and Rochester is so far up.

Here is my guess. For case, they are 5th in the GL region. There are 8 voters one for each region and clearly you want to have all of your top 5 on the poll. Since I cant imagine more than one person giving points to Case, that means that the GL voter put them as 15th on his poll to ensure that they would get on the top 35. However I do not know how Rochester got 72 points.

St. Olaf has a great course. And there might be a foot of snow!

This exactly why they should never run xc nats above the mason-dixon line

A vast majority of DIII schools are above the line. So most of them the nutsac to run in some colder weather.

Even if there is a foot of snow, it may not matter much. Last year St. Olaf hosted Central Regions in about 9 inches of snow but had all 8K of the course plowed. It was pretty cool looking, just a green ribbon across the snow. Highlighted the runners from the crowd in a way.

Although, I guess it all depends what the NCAA wants for the meet.

There won't be snow, and if you're really worried just go out and leave your can running for the next couple months.

*car

You are a duechebag. Butzler FTW!

UAwho wrote:

Is this a UAA thread or a NATIONAL DIII thread? There are other conferences with good teams.

Ahh don't feel too bad about it buddy, the Atlantic Region Thread is a diguise for a SUNYAC conference thread. Brockport gets more shoutouts on there than NYU does and if this year's thread is anything like last years TCNJ will get mentioned preseason and post regionals, rarely to be seen in the middle.

BUMP!!! AHHHHH

St. Olaf does not have a great course; it is mediocre at best. And seeing as how they will have run races on it 3 time before nationals, its not going to be in great shape.

man you southerns cant handle anything. the olaf course was plowed throughout the night last year for regionals since the storm hit the day/night before. I can tell you that that course was probably faster than usual because all the snow was plowed and the ground was frozen. the course will be fine. and if there is areas of mud etc... that makes it more fun. dont be a whiny pussy, cc is suppose to be a challenge. track is where you can have your ideal surface.

whats nats course doesnt have races on it before the big race? none.

okay, I agree that it wasn't THAT bad, but I think it's a stretch to say that it was faster. Then entire back part was hardly plowed and there were some parts that were not frozen, they were muddy. I am not saying it was horrible, but it wasn't good either.

south=pussy wrote:

man you southerns cant handle anything. the olaf course was plowed throughout the night last year for regionals since the storm hit the day/night before. I can tell you that that course was probably faster than usual because all the snow was plowed and the ground was frozen. the course will be fine. and if there is areas of mud etc... that makes it more fun. dont be a whiny pussy, cc is suppose to be a challenge. track is where you can have your ideal surface.

whats nats course doesnt have races on it before the big race? none.

haha, im not from the south, but from minnesota. never said i didn't enjoy challenging courses, just said the course isnt great. never said that the course wasnt great because its challenging either. im not a whiny pussy, but you are stupid for making inferences when there weren't. nice try though, you almost got me pinned down, specially with the personal attacks, good one man.

i guess we should just run on a flat and fast course then. then everyone will be happy. maybe at oshkosh so everyone can break 25.

st olaf is a good location simply because there is alot of places for spectators to watch without having to run around. Last time i went and watched, I could easily watch 5 different parts of the race. thats pretty good if you ask me.

And last years course wasnt bad at all. if you dont belive me, look at the times. there was only 1 spot that wasnt great, but considering the circumstances of 10 inches, It was pretty damn good.