"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

DanM wrote:

The Lily Hammer wrote:

Yesterday, it was reported that 91% of NYC employees, who are subject to a vaccine mandate, are vaccinated. Among the NYPD and FDNY, that number is around 75%-80%. And those numbers are only going to go up.

Those opposed to the vaccine are a small but vocal minority.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/01/nyregion/nyc-vaccine-mandate.html

Does that number sound like a lot to you?

NYC employs something like 330,000 people, so 9000 people is less than 3% of NYC employees. Like I said, the people not getting vaccinated are a small minority, and getting smaller everyday.

Individuals having had COVID were 5 times more likely to get more seriously ill a second time than vaccinated. You can say it indicates that vaccinated are "5 times" more protected than those naturally immunized. Very suprising as I thought the protection was similar. If you are unvaccinated and not exposed to COVID yet, the chance is greater than both...

Since COVID has shown to have also neuro-related symptoms and long term effects, I really did not want to be exposed to COVID unvaccinated, so I got my shots.

I live in NYC now, but I'm *from* Guam. Thanks for the link.

What the story makes clear, though the headline does not, is that 90% of those eligible for vaccination have gotten the shot. So: “The risk of being hospitalized for COVID-19 is about 8 times higher for the unvaccinated as compared to the vaccinated.”

And:

“'It is clear that most people who stay longer in the hospital are unvaccinated. The length of stay for people who are vaccinated average around two days. They are minor admissions and use less amount of resources at the hospital than those who are unvaccinated,' said Dr Nathan Berg, who heads the governor’s physician advisory group.

. . .

". . .the people who died despite being fully vaccinated all had multiple co-morbidities.

. . .

"Guam’s case numbers would have been three times worse if not for the vaccination campaign."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/29/guams-vaccination-success-story-turns-grim-with-covid-surge

DanM making another base rate error or purposely leaving out important context. Absolutely no surprises to be found here.

DanM, you never did answer my question. What are your feelings on "jewbiden" and other openly anti-Semitic antivaxxers? Are you pretty much okay with their use of anti-Semitic slurs? Does that seem like effective messaging to you? Thanks in advance, just trying to figure out who the Nazi sympathizers are around here.

colder and wiser wrote:

DanM, you never did answer my question. What are your feelings on "jewbiden" and other openly anti-Semitic antivaxxers? Are you pretty much okay with their use of anti-Semitic slurs? Does that seem like effective messaging to you? Thanks in advance, just trying to figure out who the Nazi sympathizers are around here.

Modern political tribalism means practically endorsing ANYONE on “your side’s” views to defend them from the evil enemies. So we both know the answer to your question.

colder and wiser wrote:

DanM, you never did answer my question. What are your feelings on "jewbiden" and other openly anti-Semitic antivaxxers? Are you pretty much okay with their use of anti-Semitic slurs? Does that seem like effective messaging to you? Thanks in advance, just trying to figure out who the Nazi sympathizers are around here.

Lol the very group that loves to throw around accusations of fascism and nazism is disproportionately likely to be comprised of far right nuts, who in turn have beliefs that are closer to nazism or fascism than any other group in the US.

Sad!

colder and wiser wrote:

DanM, you never did answer my question. What are your feelings on "jewbiden" and other openly anti-Semitic antivaxxers? Are you pretty much okay with their use of anti-Semitic slurs? Does that seem like effective messaging to you? Thanks in advance, just trying to figure out who the Nazi sympathizers are around here.

Never paid much attention to that aspect of their opinions. These "antivaxxers" you talk about. Who are they ? Not me. I think its great that people in high risk groups have the option of choosing an experimental vaccine to protect them from a potentially fatal virus. The maniacal policy of trying to put the shots into every last arm - THAT is what I oppose.

Unfortunately for your "high-risk groups" argument, a huge amount of the country is obese or has comorbidities and is at a high risk for hospitalization from COVID. Since it's an infectious disease, it is blatantly untrue to say that if you make everyone eligible and don't push for widespread vaccination everything will be fine and dandy. We've seen how this plays out in the Deep South and elsewhere with overwhelmed hospitals, rationed care and so many unnecessary deaths and hospitalizations.

colder and wiser wrote:

DanM, you never did answer my question. What are your feelings on "jewbiden" and other openly anti-Semitic antivaxxers? Are you pretty much okay with their use of anti-Semitic slurs? Does that seem like effective messaging to you? Thanks in advance, just trying to figure out who the Nazi sympathizers are around here.

Why are the beliefs and values of liberals/communists entirely constructed by Jewish people?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Unfortunately for your "high-risk groups" argument, a huge amount of the country is obese or has comorbidities and is at a high risk for hospitalization from COVID. Since it's an infectious disease, it is blatantly untrue to say that if you make everyone eligible and don't push for widespread vaccination everything will be fine and dandy. We've seen how this plays out in the Deep South and elsewhere with overwhelmed hospitals, rationed care and so many unnecessary deaths and hospitalizations.

That sounds like their problem. Don’t make their problem our problem. Force them to diet and exercise, not force a needle in a kids arm so they can be fat and lazy.

DanM wrote:

colder and wiser wrote:

DanM, you never did answer my question. What are your feelings on "jewbiden" and other openly anti-Semitic antivaxxers? Are you pretty much okay with their use of anti-Semitic slurs? Does that seem like effective messaging to you? Thanks in advance, just trying to figure out who the Nazi sympathizers are around here.

Never paid much attention to that aspect of their opinions. These "antivaxxers" you talk about. Who are they ? Not me. I think its great that people in high risk groups have the option of choosing an experimental vaccine to protect them from a potentially fatal virus. The maniacal policy of trying to put the shots into every last arm - THAT is what I oppose.

+1

qh wrote:

DanM wrote:

Never paid much attention to that aspect of their opinions. These "antivaxxers" you talk about. Who are they ? Not me. I think its great that people in high risk groups have the option of choosing an experimental vaccine to protect them from a potentially fatal virus. The maniacal policy of trying to put the shots into every last arm - THAT is what I oppose.

+1

We wouldn't need mandates if enough people had made the correct decision to get shots earlier.

Instead we had hospitals full of antivaxxers and innocent Americans being denied care due to their choices. Sorry, your rights end when your choices start to kill innocent people.

The vaccine is low cost, very safe, and very effective.

Harambe wrote:

qh wrote:

+1

We wouldn't need mandates if enough people had made the correct decision to get shots earlier.

Instead we had hospitals full of antivaxxers and innocent Americans being denied care due to their choices. Sorry, your rights end when your choices start to kill innocent people.

The vaccine is low cost, very safe, and very effective.

Yawn.

FartIek wrote:

Yawn.

Enjoy your mandates!

Turns out that paper all the denier-fearmongers were spamming a week ago was BS.

As an aside, if a majority of a papers main figures are made in excel, its a big red flag.

Harambe wrote:

https://twitter.com/kmpanthagani/status/1455279622321545227?s=21

Turns out that paper all the denier-fearmongers were spamming a week ago was BS.

As an aside, if a majority of a papers main figures are made in excel, its a big red flag.

Antivaxxers go home DEVASTATED!

Harambe wrote:

https://twitter.com/kmpanthagani/status/1455279622321545227?s=21

Turns out that paper all the denier-fearmongers were spamming a week ago was BS.

As an aside, if a majority of a papers main figures are made in excel, its a big red flag.

Wow, this is embarrassing. Every argument or analysis associated with the antivax cause is, or always turns out to be, complete, humiliating garbage lol. A high school statistics background could have spotted errors in that paper and antivaxxers continued to shove it in people’s faces with blissful, willful ignorance. 2600 bro was right, political tribalism makes you defend anything as long as it aligns with your side, even if it does make you look ridiculous