"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

This thread is a safe space for all. Even boomers who do a Google News search for "vaccine mandate rescinded" and post here like it means something.

I believe the leaded gasoline and IQ hypothesis more every day

Also that post citing data is meaningless without context.

- what were the numbers during any lockdowns?

- what were the numbers pre-vaccines compared with post?

- when did any lockdowns end, relative to vaccination levels?

- what are the hospitalisation/ICU/death rates?

- which of the hospitalisation/ICU/deaths are vaccinated? Singapore is about 80% double vaxxed for 16+ I think. They are peaking at around 10 deaths a day and 3,000 cases a day at the moment.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Your chance of dying in car crash is 1 and 107. You have a 99.07% chance of survival every time you drive.

Covid has an even higher survival rate: 99.97% for young people.

But hey, keep saying that you love our logic.

The math here is... Let's just call it really bad. A 99.07% chance of survival every time you drive means you expect to have a 50% chance of dying after 74 car trips. A month of commuting to work plus a few stops at the store and then lights out forever. If driving was this dangerous, it would be prohibited at every level of government and no one but the suicidal would risk it. Maybe go easy on the stats until you get a chance to brush up on algebra?

colder and wiser wrote:

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Your chance of dying in car crash is 1 and 107. You have a 99.07% chance of survival every time you drive.

Covid has an even higher survival rate: 99.97% for young people.

But hey, keep saying that you love our logic.

The math here is... Let's just call it really bad. A 99.07% chance of survival every time you drive means you expect to have a 50% chance of dying after 74 car trips. A month of commuting to work plus a few stops at the store and then lights out forever. If driving was this dangerous, it would be prohibited at every level of government and no one but the suicidal would risk it. Maybe go easy on the stats until you get a chance to brush up on algebra?

Math is for snobby evil liberals. MURICA!

We are in the middle of a surge in Colorado (16th most vaccinated state, approaching 7-day death tallies that we had not hit since the big surge around Christmas, before vaccines were available), and an increasingly large percentage of that surge is coming from breakthrough cases. In the tri-county area, which encompasses a population of about 1.6 million people (28% of the state's population), the vaccinated comprised 18% of cases since March, they comprised 35% of cases for September, and are pushing 40% for October. The CFR for the three counties combined was 0.61% among the vaccinated and 0.70% among the unvaccinated, so the argument that those who get a break through infection with COVID have a better prognosis than the unvaccinated is not really evident in the statistics (they just have a lower rate of infection, and in September's and October's data to this point, the efficacy against infection was far less than claimed).

https://tchd.org/823/COVID-19-Data

It will likely only get worse as we have just started heating season (I switched over our furnace to heating mode and replaced filters within the last few weeks, so cases and deaths for the winter season are just starting to appear in the statistics, and will only get worse as we approach the holidays and people spend increasingly large amounts of time indoors). Time will tell, but the indicators are not trending in the right direction.

Breakthrough cases, aka pandemic of the vaccinated/lobotomized.

Composite Letsrun Conservative wrote:

colder and wiser wrote:

The math here is... Let's just call it really bad. A 99.07% chance of survival every time you drive means you expect to have a 50% chance of dying after 74 car trips. A month of commuting to work plus a few stops at the store and then lights out forever. If driving was this dangerous, it would be prohibited at every level of government and no one but the suicidal would risk it. Maybe go easy on the stats until you get a chance to brush up on algebra?

Math is for snobby evil liberals. MURICA!

Liberal math: Man + penis = woman

joobiden wrote:

Composite Letsrun Conservative wrote:

Math is for snobby evil liberals. MURICA!

Liberal math: Man + penis = woman

That one actually made me laugh lol. Very well done

Ah, once again: "cases." Cases are a misleading statistic and Joe knows this: He has been corrected several times before. So he is being *deliberately* misleading, which is one definition of LYING.

"Cases" are simply positive tests for the virus. And what have all of us observed (if we're being observant at all, that is)? On average, the people who have been vaccinated are more likely to get tested. As a group, the people who haven't been vaccinated (most of whom also don't wear masks, except under duress) tend not to get tested, either--at least until they show up in an emergency room.

President Trump was absolutely right last year when he said that testing is how we get "cases" and that with less testing there are fewer cases. The only *useful* statistics are hospitalizations and deaths; cases are almost a meaningless stat. And Joe is fully aware of that.

You just owned yourself. If the vaccinated are more likely to get tested and be a confirmed case, then their cfr should be much lower. Since they are about equal, you have just argued that the IFR among the vaccinated is much higher than the unvaccinated.

Since joed|rtee wants mostly to talk about cases, here's the deal on hospitalizations in the great state of Colorado:

The 1,170 people hospitalized Monday with confirmed cases of COVID-19 are roughly 300 more than a month ago and 900 more than the lows of the summer, but still nearly 700 lower than last December 1st, thus far the peak of the pandemic in Colorado.

Nearly eight out of 10 of those hospitalized patients are unvaccinated against COVID-19.

https://www.cpr.org/2021/10/25/colorado-covid-19-hospitalizations-keep-rising-with-unvaccinated-patients-filling-icus-and-acute-care-wards/

And here's all that I could find on deaths in Colorado:

According to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, 189 unvaccinated people died from COVID-19 in August, compared to 60 vaccinated individuals. The median age among vaccinated people who died from the virus was 81 years old and 75 for the unvaccinated deaths.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/what-is-the-covid-19-death-rate-of-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated/

The vaccines are remarkably effective in preventing serious illness and death from Covid. It does appear that, if you are older and/or have comorbidities (obesity, diabetes etc.), you'd be wise to get a booster shot.

And it should be noted that those numbers on deaths in Colorado (189 unvaccinated vs. 60 vaccinated) are from August, and as of September 1st, 57% of Coloradans were fully vaccinated. So there were more than 3 times as many deaths from Covid among the unvaccinated, who comprised only 43% of the population.

Can something that must be delivered to every human arm every 5 months be considered a medical miracle? Can such a miracle be delivered to every human arm every 5 months? Can such a thing even be considered a miracle? Or should we just be honest and say these gene therapies are subpar vaccines with subpar efficacy and documented serious and fatal AEs with each administration? What is the cumulative risk of serious AEs with each administration every 5 months broken down by age?

Wake up morons!

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114228

Wuss alert wrote:

Can something that must be delivered to every human arm every 5 months be considered a medical miracle? Can such a miracle be delivered to every human arm every 5 months? Can such a thing even be considered a miracle? Or should we just be honest and say these gene therapies are subpar vaccines with subpar efficacy and documented serious and fatal AEs with each administration? What is the cumulative risk of serious AEs with each administration every 5 months broken down by age?

Wake up morons!

I thought you had actual scientific chops but anyone referring to mRNA vaccines as 'gene therapies' is far more disconnected from modern science than I expected.

You are terrified and just babbling at this point.

Harambe wrote:

Wuss alert wrote:

Can something that must be delivered to every human arm every 5 months be considered a medical miracle? Can such a miracle be delivered to every human arm every 5 months? Can such a thing even be considered a miracle? Or should we just be honest and say these gene therapies are subpar vaccines with subpar efficacy and documented serious and fatal AEs with each administration? What is the cumulative risk of serious AEs with each administration every 5 months broken down by age?

Wake up morons!

I thought you had actual scientific chops but anyone referring to mRNA vaccines as 'gene therapies' is far more disconnected from modern science than I expected.

You are terrified and just babbling at this point.

It's just Berenson posting...

The deniers can rarely think for themselves.

Wuss alert wrote:

A bunch of deleted nonsense

This nonsense is getting tiresome.

A new pandemic breaks out in December 2019, and we had the gene sequenced and the basis of a working vaccine in January 2020. That is a God-given miracle of the first degree. Then it took less than a year to develop, test, and approve multiple highly effective vaccines, for which we should be thanking God and Biontech and the rest of the doctors and scientists who made it possible and Donald J. Trump for OWS and Joe Biden for getting the distribution right. We've never managed a miracle of this scale, this quickly, in the fight against disease before.

So not every pandemic measure was actually necessary? Of course they weren't. You don't know what will work and what won't when you're confronting a disease for the first time. But we eventually figured out that we were dealing with airborne spread, and it would make sense for masks to work and, guess what, now we know they do.

So we didn't know exactly what dosage and schedule work best for vaccination? Well, guess what. Viruses don't come with instruction manuals. We were able to come up with something that worked amazingly well, not the best possible approach. Maybe half a dose of Pfizer, a year apart, is the ultimate answer. Or maybe it's J&J as a booster shot once a year. The point is, we'll keep looking for a better solution.

So there's waning immunity after vaccination? Of course there is. You know what else leads to waning immunity? Getting infected with Covid. We get flu shots and tetanus boosters and plenty of other injections that are all a lot less unpleasant than getting a serious disease or infecting people we know.

Didn't you people go to school? "Follow the science" doesn't mean listen to the experts proclaim the one true answer (and if they aren't 100% correct, they're discredited forever). It means follow alongas people who actually have the training and experience to solve this figure out bit by bit how this disease works and how to stop it.

The never-ending charade of people who have been wrong about everything for the better part of two years who keep popping back up to claim that they've finally been proved right is just nauseating. You were wrong about how serious Covid would get, you were wrong about how to stop it, you're wrong about vaccination. Go infest some other forum.

No buddy, you're the problem following along blindly. The point is they rolled the vaccines out to all without doing the necessary studies to demonstrate clinically MEANINGFUL benefits vs natural infection. They didn't just roll them out to those at highest risk of COVID death/morbidity across the globe, they rolled them out to everyone 18 + years of age within the USA. And guess what, the cause harm and they're failing -- and not just from the perspective of infection protection. Now we're beginning to see serious evidence of failure from the perspective of serious illness protection.

People like you who refuse to discuss the data and face up to less than convenient data are the problem.