he was 5th. and don't forget he tried out for soccer too, nate.
he was 5th. and don't forget he tried out for soccer too, nate.
At ODAC's, yeah, but he had the 3rd best performance according to odaconline. What's he up to this winter haha.
Warren is an emotional runner, we had no idea that he was going to do that, I don't know why he did, but he's actually raced well by going out fast before, I don't know what he would have ran if he didn't.
He was actually out for a month with a stress fracture in his foot, he came back as our #5 man for the last 2 races before Regionals...he should have been our #4 at Regionals, but our official #3 had an awful day. Corey Kellam was ready to be top 10 if not top 3 at Regionals, workouts aren't everything, but you should have seen him in some of the workouts...incredible. It just wasn't his day.
Javelin throwers? Maybe. A spinter from a football team? Periodically, sure (e.g. the late Matt Pagel, 2nd at 55m nats for UW-LaCrosse about 4 years ago). However, I doubt you could name a distance athlete w/ no previous experience that ultimately made some sort of splash on the regional/ncaa scene, and then furthermore site examples of how this happens more frequently at a large school.
I can name one: Nathan Johnson
Tennis player in high school, as I recall.
are you sure he didn't run as well? Kleimenhagen was a tennis player too, but he also finished top 7 in wisconsin in cross country and was recruited to run.
Judging by what he posted yesterday, I'd say he didn't run in hs. I'm sure he can and will elaborate.
"Speaking from personal experience, I didn't start running until I was 19, I wasn't recruited by anyone because I didn't run HS cross country."
Kartelite, how exactly did you get into running and end up excelling like you did? Just curious.
I think kartelite has a pretty good point about the numbers. D3 just isn't that big in the south. There are a total of 58 D3 schools in the entire south region, and many of them don't offer cross country. Just for comparison, there are 62 D3 schools in New York (and many of them are quite large), 59 in Pennsylvania, 25 in Wisconsin, 22 in Illinois, 45 in Massachusetts and 19 in Minnesota.
I see his point too. Paticularly regarding large schools having more people to draw from. But I still wonder why the talent isn't more diluted with so many schools up north.
It's true that VA has a lot of competition w/ the state schools, but then go out of state to recruit (e.g. Washington and Lee). NYU is a big school, and if that's the only key to success, why are their women getting dominated by smaller conference rivals like Wash U. and Emory? The # of schools in a region inhibits success? Then why have western schools like Willamette, Claremont M.S. and Colorado College been successful in recent years?
I think the south can be successful, the schools just need to discover and hammer their recruiting niche.
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are you sure he didn't run as well? Kleimenhagen was a tennis player too, but he also finished top 7 in wisconsin in cross country and was recruited to run.
Yes I am sure, unless you count 6 weeks of indoor track before quitting with a 5:47 mile PR.
To answer the other question, I'd always loved competing even if I wasn't that good, and when I got to W&M my freshman year I really started to miss competitive sports. I played club tennis, but that was only so good. I started lifting that spring with my roommates but I didn't have much of a physique for that so it sucked cause I hardly improved. That summer I went on a couple 2-3 mile runs with my friend, then I started running some time trials then a 5 mile race later that summer, and I realized that this was my only chance, however small, to play a sport at W&M. So I tried out, first day was mile repeats at the course they just ran regionals on. I was dead after being at the back after three reps, so for the next two workouts I switched to the middle distance group, then not surprisingly I was cut, but I kept training on my own and steadily improved. I was planning on trying out again the next fall, but instead I went abroad, and emailed the new coach about trying out again that coming spring. Well he basically said that as someone midway through my junior year I couldn't join the team...so I transferred. There ya go. I'm not saying something like this happens all the time, obviously most of the good runners at regionals were good hs runners. But at big schools, there are so many people that could have been attracted to the school for other reasons that it makes the coach's job easier.
By the way, if you look at the HS talent states like South Carolina, Georgia, Arkansas, etc. put out, it really isn't surprising the college scene reflects this. Even in D1, a large proportion of the top guys in the S/SE regions are foreign. But at least 11 teams in the BCS top 25 would be in the S/SE, go figure. South emphasizes distance running less, so fewer potential talents are discovered. The weather doesn't help a lot either, if I was given the choice of doing my summer and fall training in NC or Wisconsin it wouldn't be a hard choice.
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Agreed! Flynn's run was an inspiring thing to watch. Talk about guts.
Yeah I accidentally elbowed him right around the final turn uphill, not really realizing he was wearing a collarbone brace. He still ran a hell of a race though as did the rhodes guys and ut-tyler guys.
man, emory sucks. they get their shit pushed at UAAs by CMU and NYU, yet they still go the nats because their region is garbage.
how fair is that?
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man, emory sucks. they get their shit pushed at UAAs by CMU and NYU, yet they still go the nats because their region is garbage.
how fair is that?
Are we talking about the same NYU and CMU that got 2nd and 12th at nationals last year? Are you saying none of the 20 teams at nationals who got beat by both those teams should have been there (including North Central)? I'm a little unclear as to what the hell you're bitching about, and there are already some "the South Sucks" threads so why don't you use the search function. Life ain't fair chief, if worrying about emory going to nationals is your biggest concern you've got it made.
man - platteville got a gift. they got their shit pushed around at regions by 4 other schools, and the best they could manage at conference was to tie a school that couldn't even place in the top 5 in the region meet, yet still get to go to nats because the committee sucks midwest nuts? how fair is that?
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man, emory sucks. they get their shit pushed at UAAs by CMU and NYU, yet they still go the nats because their region is garbage.
how fair is that?
Except for the fact that the Midwest region has more than 5 teams that could WIN the south region.
It's likely platteville would have been 4th in the south region actually. They would have gotten 1 point with Sigl but the rest of their pack would have been way back. They were fifth in the midwest region where Sigl's front running ability is more useful.
platteville would have won the south region
there are many d3 schools that would have won the south region