There's noting even REMOTELY like cherry picking to Sell's and Hansons' approach.
There's noting even REMOTELY like cherry picking to Sell's and Hansons' approach.
yeah, where did those results come from?
ttc - I guess ZITA had too much confidence in her training approach then, right? Eejit.
Calm down there, this is just one race. It's nice to see what we saw today, yes. When we're seeing something like 100 (or even 75) go under 2:20 in a single year then we can start talking about a return to standards that haven't been seen in decades.
MrWanders wrote:
looks like alot of inspired americans have been out there training for the last several months/years
anyone else notice the constant stream of guys finishing in the 220s 230s as they were showing the elite women coming in?
it looks as if a lot of that american depth that those old fogeys bitch about is returning
ay mi cabeza wrote:the force of a big mans stride on the face of slippery late capitalism
Great line.
Looks like after Abdi, the top American men were all Hanson's runners. According to the RW site:
"Verran finishes in 2;14:20. Chad Johnson and Luke Humphreys in low 2:15s. Hartmann cinubg ub (coming in?) very slow in about 2:15:50."
I heard that some moron on a bicycle plowed into the Hanson's group on a training run Friday or Saturday, knocking Luke down hard - so very nice run by him.
Any word on more of the U.S. women?
It is easier to run 2:10 when it is all you're trying to do all year.
He has no excuse. He trained all year specifically for this race. Abdi trained all year for track then changes gears and decides to run Chicago to finish off the year.
Hanson's sets their guys up specifically for this race. It's their Westminster dog show. Too bad all they had to show were muts.
ttc wrote:
If someone under your identical training program and capable of a nice marathon, bonks BADLY, then it's not senseless to raise an eyebrow and wonder if you'll have the strength. Maybe Ritz isn't thinking it and has 100% trust in Hudson. Maybe the training that didn't work for Ed will work for Ritz. But the thought's hardly senseless. If successful/bad training doesn't transfer from 1 person to the other, than why all the workout posts and Lydiard genius??
Yeah well what about Hartmann? He had a damn good race.
Other than the Ethiopian in ninth, these results make it look like a dual meet between USA and Kenya. More importantly: Will Chad Johnson be ready for the Bengals game against Carolina in a few hours?Lastly, Mark Malone has no business announcing a marathon. He screwed up many a Steeler season, now he's out to bring his mediocrity into running.
this wrote:
UNOFFICIAL MEN'S RESULTS
1. Robert Cheruiyot, KEN, 2:07:35
2. Daniel Njenga, KEN, 2:07:40
3. Jimmy Muindi, KEN, 2:07:51
4. Abdi Abdirahman, USA, 2:08:56
5. Robert Cheboror, KEN, 2:09:25
6. Brian Sell, USA, 2:10:47
7. Japhet Kosgei, KEN, 2:11:37
8. Ben Maiyo, KEN, 2:11:53
9. Dejene Berhanu, ETH, 2:12:27
10. Meshack Kosgei, KEN, 2:12:31
12. Clint Verran, USA, 2:14:23
14 Chad Johnson, USA, 2:15:03
15 Mike Morgan, USA, 2:15:11
16 Kyle O'Brien, USA, 2:15:13
17 Brandon Leslie, USA, 2:15:20
18 Luke Humphrey, USA, 2:15:22
20 Jason Hartmann, USA, 2:15:50 Link
Haha, very nice Mark Malone. T.J. can't carry the load all by himself. The Bengals need a W today.
After 10th, it just shows Americans. But you knew that, right?
Patrick Moulton finished 2:20:53.
And Abdi's a whole lot more talented than Sell is so Sell doesn't have the same options as Abdi if he wants to do what he wants to do in the marathon
GO PANTHERS!
sleeper wrote:
They're updated to 40k, jerk.
The one I want isn't, dickhead.
Perhaps also a bit worrying for Ritz, is that the guy in 9th in 2:12:27 beat him at the GNR. Not totally sure how training load and the like were in comparison, but if the guy who beat him didn't break 2:12 on a fast course, how will Ritz fair over 26.2, could be interesting, rooting for him though
ttc wrote:
If someone under your identical training program and capable of a nice marathon, bonks BADLY, then it's not senseless to raise an eyebrow and wonder if you'll have the strength. Maybe Ritz isn't thinking it and has 100% trust in Hudson. Maybe the training that didn't work for Ed will work for Ritz. But the thought's hardly senseless. If successful/bad training doesn't transfer from 1 person to the other, than why all the workout posts and Lydiard genius??
Really, really dumb, ttc. Have you ever thought that the performances of your teammates has any bearing on your performances? I never have. Workouts aren't contageous diseases.
Thanks..any word on Jenkins/Matt Pelliter?
Head Trauma wrote:
Yeah well what about Hartmann? He had a damn good race.
Good point. Just stating that when others under your exact training program run well, bad or whatever, then it's often an indication. If that wasn't the case, then why would runners join Meb's and Deena's group?? Why would others go to the Oregon Project?? Because they see what the training did for others, and see it as an indication, that's why. Ritz keeping an eye on how his training partners did in this marathon to gauge his own training is feasible.
You are confusing me.
From reading the live posts, I thought Abdi had won, Adere was on a wheelchair and Cheruiyot had a concussion. What did I read?
bryn_r wrote:
Perhaps also a bit worrying for Ritz, is that the guy in 9th in 2:12:27 beat him at the GNR. Not totally sure how training load and the like were in comparison, but if the guy who beat him didn't break 2:12 on a fast course, how will Ritz fair over 26.2, could be interesting, rooting for him though
Only if you think that Ritz is going to go out in 1:03.01 it does?