The best way to catch cheats is to lower the punishment. If we go to something like the nfl where a positive test is like 2 race ban or 1 month then we will see who is dirty and we will also see how much we really care about doping.
The best way to catch cheats is to lower the punishment. If we go to something like the nfl where a positive test is like 2 race ban or 1 month then we will see who is dirty and we will also see how much we really care about doping.
Lancaster wrote:
Spill the Beans wrote:
Lance even purchased expensive dope analyzers for the UCI. Created a Cancer Foundation and was a figurehead of sufferers worldwide. THAT versus holding up a cardboard sign "EPO Cheats Out".
No smoke without fire.
Off-the-charts performance, the smoke; off-the-charts blood profiles is the fire.
Lance is a fraud, a phony and a narcissist. He took self improvement to synthetic levels and shared the resulting toxicity with everyone in his path.
Classics from the archives:
https://youtu.be/Zad68VOxr8gcasual obsever wrote:
The "forgot the paperwork" - a classic. No wonder the UCI has (had?) such a bad reputation.
No disagreement here, but the UCI could've looked even more a joke had they sanctioned three guys for not filling in a form when the use of corticosteroids is prevalent and there isn't even a test for the number one "game-changer".
Stupid thread.
If you can assume every woman under 2:20 is doped or doing gray zone stuff, well guess what- Paula is still almost 2 min faster. She was just tougher, stronger, and better suited for the marathon than Mary Keitany.
paula is GOAT. wrote:
Stupid thread.
If you can assume every woman under 2:20 is doped or doing gray zone stuff, well guess what- Paula is still almost 2 min faster. She was just tougher, stronger, and better suited for the marathon than Mary Keitany.
Stupid thread.
If you can assume every man under 3:30 is doped or doing gray zone stuff, well guess what- Asbel is still almost 4 seconds faster. He was just tougher, stronger, and better suited for the 1500 than Rashid Ramzi.
Aragon wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
... if UCI had followed the rules in 1999 and banned him because of his positive tests, instead of accepting past-dated TUEs, the Armstrong saga might never have started...
Perhaps they should've followed strictly the rules, but at the 1999 Tour, the UCI had a zero-time TDF winner among a total of 26 cyclists with corticosteroid positives of whom three had forgotten to apply for a TUE. The real "crime" was negligence either to fill a paper or to know about the new test and not the substance, and the UCI made their decision on all the three cases accordingly which wasn't the first such an instance.
The UCI / IAAF has been sheltering certain dopers for years. Geraint Thomas won the Tour de France this year, yet was already on top of UCI's list of most likely dopers based on his anti-doping control values back in 2010 (when he was fighting for 21st place at the Tour de Qatar!) The report was leaked to the press because the UCI chose not to take action. Sebastian Coe is similarly associated with coverrups at the highest levels of athletics, with conflicts of interest accepting money from Nike during anti-doping campaigns involving Nike that led to no charges of its athletes.
Lance is probably the most honorable figure to emerge from this dark den of rats.
kiprop is GOAT. wrote:
Stupid thread.
If you can assume every man under 3:30 is doped or doing gray zone stuff, well guess what- Asbel is still almost 4 seconds faster. He was just tougher, stronger, and better suited for the 1500 than Rashid Ramzi.
Exactly. Genetics, not drugs.
paula is GOAT. wrote:
kiprop is GOAT. wrote:
Stupid thread.
If you can assume every man under 3:30 is doped or doing gray zone stuff, well guess what- Asbel is still almost 4 seconds faster. He was just tougher, stronger, and better suited for the 1500 than Rashid Ramzi.
Exactly. Genetics, not drugs.
Genetics + Dope = GOAT
During the NY marathon broadcast , they reference the “ women’s only world marathon record holder”, not Radcliffe as the standard . Radcliffe was part of that broadcast , and was cheesed about this comment.
She beat all the other dopers by a large margin - GOAT.
kiprop is GOAT.
Not really.
Mary Keitany had a pacemaker for a good majority of her "women's only" record too. Paula is simply built for the marathon.
casual obsever wrote:
A bit like when Farah didn't open the door to his OOC tester in 2011, and UKAD accepted his lame excuse...
I seem to recall that right after this incident Mo became virtually invincible. Just a coincidence, right?
Radcliffe + Healing Hans + Gary is a strong team! Just ask Ross Tucker!
Is there any evidence against her other than she ran really fast?
if it was doping then certainly plenty of others would have emerged over the years producing times close to what she did? there have to be a lot of motivated athletes that slip through testing and either know they can get away with it or are naive enough not to realize they might be caught - yet it hasn't happened?
guys don't think about this stuff but Paula did mega miles in training, was rail thin, and yet still got her period - that's very rare and obviously extremely elite genetics and means her testosterone levels easily could have been higher for that build up and race - high testosterone means not just strength but high oxygen capacity from increased hemoglobin/red-blood-cells, it doesn't have to come artificially from epo/doping
Jimmy21 wrote:
Is there any evidence against her other than she ran really fast?
Not a shred! She's the best!
Jimmy22 wrote:
Jimmy21 wrote:
Is there any evidence against her other than she ran really fast?
Not a shred! She's the best!
Besides her incredibly damning off-scores
Autologous Madness wrote:
Radcliffe + Healing Hans + Gary is a strong team! Just ask Ross Tucker!
He did say he gave Paula more needles than anyone else.
Since Coevett is a popular poster on this forum, I wonder what his opinion is of Paula's WR? ?