There is a long video that shows the shooter was originally on the right hand rear of the vehicle with the wife. they both walk around the rhs of the stationary vehicle. the wife stops by the passenger door. the car then reverses with the wheels pointing left, this causes the car to point not only in the shooters direction, but brings him square into the middle of the 'aim' of the car as it stops reversing. he is unsighted during most of this, but there is evidene that he did not deliberately place himself there.
He may or may not have known the situation was escalating at that moment since one wooly hat officer seemed much less botheed than the one who went for the door. as the woolly hat officer went for the door, the shooter seemed more concerned about drawing his weapon to support his colleague than his postion relative to the car. he ight have been movign slowly to the left, but his priority was clearly to back up his colleague. seems a reasonable thing to do.
without question, when she put the car into fwd gear and pressed the accelrator, the wheels were pointing left. this is very very clear. its almost the one indisputable thing.
the car unquestionably hit the shooter. interestingly in the blurred video from the far right, it looks like he was hit quite hard and moved a little distance. in the video from behind and left it is hard to see he is hit at all, but the relative position means movement would have been away from the camera so hard to see.
Much of this post is one sided deliberate disinformation presented as absolute fact. context always matters. of course there are circumstances when oyu can shoot a fleeing suspect in the back and / or shoot into a moving car. to pretend this is absolute just discredits the author.
Personally i dont think this incident shuold have happened. both sides made huge mistakes and both the police system and the system of aggravated obstruction of police duties are broken so such incidents are inevitable.
At the end of the day, with the help of our friend Occam's razor; she was where she shouldnt have been, and was there deliberatly, her wife has admitted it. An ice officer was legitimately ordering her to stop and get out of the car. Another ice officer was in front of the car with a drawn weapon to back up the lawful order. She drove towards him. he considered the bar for lethal force was met and opened fire.
That's right. Tell yourself the opposite of your lying eyes. Occams Razor.
so you dont have the intellectual capacity, ability or honesty to refute any of my points, merely an ad hominem attack? That says all we need to know, doesnt it?
25 year federal firearms instructor tears apart ICE agents actions on CBS news story. CBS pulls it from the nightly new because Larry Ellison wants to turn CBS into Newsmax.
A former 25 year career federal agent whose entire job was dealing with gun incidents involving federal agents details all the ways Ross messed up on CBS.
25 year federal firearms instructor tears apart ICE agents actions on CBS news story. CBS pulls it from the nightly new because Larry Ellison wants to turn CBS into Newsmax.
it sets up incorrect strawmen and then dismantles them - so what if the strawman is invented?
eg; you cant use deadly force to stop someone fleeing.
well, a) you can, b) he didnt. (incorrect strawman). he used deadly force because he was being assaulted with a deadly weapon.
eg; you shouldnt be in front of the car.
well, we can all agree this, except a) it is ridiculous to suggest a leo can never walk in front of, and by extension due to reverse gears, behind a vehicle (and note this vehicles first relevant movement was in reverse!!!!). b) the commentator even admits that the shooter was in front of the vehicle for the legitimate reason of collecting evidence on his camera phone.
eg 'the tyres were pointing away from him'.
a) when someone is directly in front of a vehicle such that the vehicle is likely to hit him no matter where oyu are steering, what the hell has the position of the tyres got to do with it? 'i was steering away when i hit the object in front of me'? what sort of an excuse is that?
b) incorrect strawman; if you watch the slow mo video, you can see that when the tyres first spin as she accelerates in fwd gear, the tyre is pointing LEFT.
The know it all, above it all,SJW lesbians via their own arrogance discovered the true meaning of FAFO:
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🚨BREAKING: Cellphone footage has been obtained showing the perspective of the federal agent involved in the Minneapolis shooting.pic.twitter.com/K0JCd5z21D
St Peter; Morning, blimey love, someones done a number on your visog. dinna fash yesen, we'll get you into make up first thing. now whats your claim for entry?
(not) Good person; i was minding my own business when some crazy murdered me.
St P; Not what ive got written down. My list says you were a trained agitator deliberately trying to obstruct legitimate government agents. You disobeyed the lawful commands of one officer, resisted arrest and then assaulted another with a deadly weapon. you're right up shoots creek babe, innit?
Good; But my wheels were pointing right!!!
St P. What has that got to do with the fact you had a government agent in front of your car, changed gear from reverse into fwd and then hit the government agent with you car? And in any case your wheels were pointing left when you first accelerated fwd at the officer.
Good; But im a lesbian.
St P; what has that got to do with it, and not until recently you werent.
Good; But im a poet, waaaaaah.
St P. Not according to Robin Williams you arent, and he's the expert. First left, down the apples and pears, keep going, and there is no facial reconstructive surgery down there.
Good; its a fair cop, guv.
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St Peter; Morning, blimey love, someones done a number on your visog. dinna fash yesen, we'll get you into make up first thing. now whats your claim for entry?
(not) Good person; i was minding my own business when some crazy murdered me.
St P; Not what ive got written down. My list says you were a trained agitator deliberately trying to obstruct legitimate government agents. You disobeyed the lawful commands of one officer, resisted arrest and then assaulted another with a deadly weapon. you're right up shoots creek babe, innit?
Good; But my wheels were pointing right!!!
St P. What has that got to do with the fact you had a government agent in front of your car, changed gear from reverse into fwd and then hit the government agent with you car? And in any case your wheels were pointing left when you first accelerated fwd at the officer.
Good; But im a lesbian.
St P; what has that got to do with it, and not until recently you werent.
Good; But im a poet, waaaaaah.
St P. Not according to Robin Williams you arent, and he's the expert. First left, down the apples and pears, keep going, and there is no facial reconstructive surgery down there.
Good; its a fair cop, guv.
scene fades to music of Boomtown rats Whitehall 1212.
So if an Antifa-agent steps in front of me in my stationary Cybertruck and then shoots me dead in self-defense because they think I’m about to drive over them in my glorious Cybertruck, you are on the side of Antifa/Soros?
Lmao, seriously that was funny.
The false equivalency is crazy. But that was funny.
Antifa, Federal Officer, same thing. 😂😂😂
They can grasp at straws and b!tch all they want, but nobody’s buying the bullsh!t . As I said, we’re entering a law and order period. That’s what “We the People” voted for and we don’t give a f what leftist losers think about it.
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25 year federal firearms instructor tears apart ICE agents actions on CBS news story. CBS pulls it from the nightly new because Larry Ellison wants to turn CBS into Newsmax.
it sets up incorrect strawmen and then dismantles them - so what if the strawman is invented?
eg; you cant use deadly force to stop someone fleeing.
well, a) you can, b) he didnt. (incorrect strawman). he used deadly force because he was being assaulted with a deadly weapon.
eg; you shouldnt be in front of the car.
well, we can all agree this, except a) it is ridiculous to suggest a leo can never walk in front of, and by extension due to reverse gears, behind a vehicle (and note this vehicles first relevant movement was in reverse!!!!). b) the commentator even admits that the shooter was in front of the vehicle for the legitimate reason of collecting evidence on his camera phone.
eg 'the tyres were pointing away from him'.
a) when someone is directly in front of a vehicle such that the vehicle is likely to hit him no matter where oyu are steering, what the hell has the position of the tyres got to do with it? 'i was steering away when i hit the object in front of me'? what sort of an excuse is that?
b) incorrect strawman; if you watch the slow mo video, you can see that when the tyres first spin as she accelerates in fwd gear, the tyre is pointing LEFT.
what an absolute piece of garbage.
It’s a deceptive tactic used by the media. They find one so-called expert and act like he’s the final word. You could probably find 20 guys with the exact opposite opinion.
Not surprisingly, Roy bought it hook line and sinker.
Ah. “Directly in front.” He was directly in front of the driver’s side of the car as she turrned the wheel away from him and attempted to escape by driving off to the side of him.
At 2:10 of this video she is stationary with an IE at her door, her wheels turned left, and the eventual shooter in front of the left side of her car, unseen as in line of the LE at the door. For reference note this puts him in line with front most window on the house across the street. At 2:11 she starts to move forward and shooter can still barely be seen, still in front of left side of her car, still in line with window. Wheels are now straight. Shooter draws his weapon. At 2:12 she is moving forward toward that window (and thus the shooter who still has not moved toward left side of frame). Contact occurs and shooting takes place which is when the shooter gets bumped left. By 2:13 she has moved forward and finally has turned away from the window and the shooter has clearly been bumped toward left of that window.
Slow down to 0.25 speed to view. But in real time, things happened very quickly. As my post several pages back said, a very unfortunate situation which should not have come to a shooting.
That's right. Tell yourself the opposite of your lying eyes. Occams Razor.
so you dont have the intellectual capacity, ability or honesty to refute any of my points, merely an ad hominem attack? That says all we need to know, doesnt it?
You didn't make an intellectual case. You simply repeated a bunch of lies with your own spin. You seek to excuse murder. Beyond disgusting.
Had her life instead been taken by an illegal immigrant as so many American lives have been, you wouldn’t even know her name. You would never have even seen the video. Let that sink in.
She was obstructing and violating the law and forcing a law enforcement agent without the luxury of time into a potentially very bad situation. Exact same thing as Ashli Babbitt on J6. Exact same thing, exact same outcome.
These situations are by definition unpredictable, which is why they should be avoided. But everyone hates and denigrates cops, so… ICE? An even more thankless job. It should also surprise exactly nobody that this is happening in Tim Walz’ Minnesota. You live, you lear. At least most people do.
I just want to tell you that you make some fantastic points here.
If she hadn't illegally parked sideways in the street, she'd be alive today.
If she had moved her car when told to do so, she'd be alive today.
Had she gotten out of the car when told to do so when surrounded by ICE agents with guns! She'd be alive today.
Had she not attempted to drive away, she'd be alive today.
On the other side, the agent aproaching the car ordering her to get out did not use proper procedure.
The agent in front of the car lost situational awareness. It's one of the things taught in basic armed self defense classes. I think he was more concerned about filming the confrontation. NOTE: There's a name for this. It's called cognitive tunneling... "Often discussed in aviation, driving, and emergency response when operators become locked onto instruments or one task and lose broader situational awareness."
I'm a conservative. I support ICE. This woman was wrong. She made bad decisions to take illegal actions. Her wife made a horrifically bad decision in shouting, "Drive! Drive! Drive!"
Still, I've seen every camera angle released so far. I've attended multiple armed self-defense classes. I don't think that was a justified use of deadly force. I don't know if a jury would convict him, but he wouldn't want me on the jury.
tl;dr The far left behind-the-scenes powers are celebrating today because they finally agitated one of their useful idiots enough to provoke ICE agents enough to get themselves killed, so now they have their martyr to escalate their violence.
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If she hadn't illegally parked sideways in the street, she'd be alive today.
If she had moved her car when told to do so, she'd be alive today.
Had she gotten out of the car when told to do so when surrounded by ICE agents with guns! She'd be alive today.
Had she not attempted to drive away, she'd be alive today.
On the other side, the agent aproaching the car ordering her to get out did not use proper procedure.
The agent in front of the car lost situational awareness. It's one of the things taught in basic armed self defense classes. I think he was more concerned about filming the confrontation. NOTE: There's a name for this. It's called cognitive tunneling... "Often discussed in aviation, driving, and emergency response when operators become locked onto instruments or one task and lose broader situational awareness."
I'm a conservative. I support ICE. This woman was wrong. She made bad decisions to take illegal actions. Her wife made a horrifically bad decision in shouting, "Drive! Drive! Drive!"
Still, I've seen every camera angle released so far. I've attended multiple armed self-defense classes. I don't think that was a justified use of deadly force. I don't know if a jury would convict him, but he wouldn't want me on the jury.
tl;dr The far left behind-the-scenes powers are celebrating today because they finally agitated one of their useful idiots enough to provoke ICE agents enough to get themselves killed, so now they have their martyr to escalate their violence.
The old bs that both sides are equally wrong and equally bad. It is total bs. Trump's fascist regime and his lawless agents in the street have no parallel in the US. The ICE agent murdered a US citizen exercising her constitutional right to protest. His life was never under threat.
If you can't handle that situation without murdering someone, you shouldn't be in that role period. Idc if you support ICE or the president or whatever, but all over the world law enforcement are taught to deescalate these exact situations, yet we end up with someone dead. That isn't acceptable. This isn't another opportunity to just regurgitate the talking points of whatever "side" you're on. Nobody needed to die over this. That's what needs addressing here.
25 year federal firearms instructor tears apart ICE agents actions on CBS news story. CBS pulls it from the nightly new because Larry Ellison wants to turn CBS into Newsmax.
Had her life instead been taken by an illegal immigrant as so many American lives have been, you wouldn’t even know her name. You would never have even seen the video. Let that sink in.
She was obstructing and violating the law and forcing a law enforcement agent without the luxury of time into a potentially very bad situation. Exact same thing as Ashli Babbitt on J6. Exact same thing, exact same outcome.
These situations are by definition unpredictable, which is why they should be avoided. But everyone hates and denigrates cops, so… ICE? An even more thankless job. It should also surprise exactly nobody that this is happening in Tim Walz’ Minnesota. You live, you lear. At least most people do.
I just want to tell you that you make some fantastic points here.
Actually, not the same......The Ashley Babbit killer didn't make a split second decision, he had plenty of time to decide what to do....This ICE officer didn't.
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