Wow, if I were back in the Marines and I was caught just one document from this cache of documents, I would probably be buried in a cell in Leavenworth, AT MINIMUM. And here Trump had FIFTEEN boxes of sensitive information. Who's Trump selling our secrets to?
From the affidavit - FBI review of 15 boxes transferred to National Archives contained 184 docs with classified markings: — 67 Confidential — 92 Secret — 25 Top Secret — additional docs with HCS (human Intel), ORCON (originator controlled), NOFORN (only US citizens), SI (special Intel), FISA.
Jaw-dropping. The ORCON stuff is really bad because that is well above a TS/SCI classification.
Example of ORCON could be: DOD related - description of troop strength, troop movements, etc; CIA - Who/where spies are; who/where their contacts are.
And this is what was handed over in June, not what was retrieved from the search in August.
The Obama administration, in its waning days, is busily destroying public records to protect its image, charged WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. by Michael Tennant
Bro, just stop. If Obama did bad stuff, we'll get to him. Let's take care of the Trump problem, first.
'But Obama' has to be the lamest attempt at a diversion. Is there any evidence the Obama docs were anywhere close to the high levels of sensitive of Trump's docs? No.
Bro, just stop. If Obama did bad stuff, we'll get to him. Let's take care of the Trump problem, first.
That article joedirt posted doesn't even suggest Obam did anything wrong with documents. It quotes Julian Assange, of all people, as saying he heard "that destruction of records is occurring now in different parts of the Obama administration." Assign whatever sinister value you want to that bit of double hearsay from a highly questionable source, but also consider that the Presidential Record Act expressly assumes and allows outgoing administrations to "dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value." You don't have to keep the mountains of irrelevant documents generated over years in a bureaucracy with tens of thousands employees.
The current issue with Trump isn't that he destroyed documents, and his administration presumably did destroy thousands of documents when he left. It's that Trump appears to have deliberately TAKEN top secret, classified national defense documents with him, and without telling anyone who needed to know that he was doing so, and then storing them in unauthorized unsecured places. That's really dangerous, if true, and probably why its illegal. How does Trump attempt to fix that? By stonewalling attempts to retrieve the classified information and apparently lying about it all too. This current Trump situation is completely different than anything described in that irrelevant article posted by Joedirt, who probably just read the title and thought it looked like a decent prop for some low-grade whataboutyouism.
Bro, just stop. If Obama did bad stuff, we'll get to him. Let's take care of the Trump problem, first.
That article joedirt posted doesn't even suggest Obam did anything wrong with documents. It quotes Julian Assange, of all people, as saying he heard "that destruction of records is occurring now in different parts of the Obama administration." Assign whatever sinister value you want to that bit of double hearsay from a highly questionable source, but also consider that the Presidential Record Act expressly assumes and allows outgoing administrations to "dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value." You don't have to keep the mountains of irrelevant documents generated over years in a bureaucracy with tens of thousands employees.
The current issue with Trump isn't that he destroyed documents, and his administration presumably did destroy thousands of documents when he left. It's that Trump appears to have deliberately TAKEN top secret, classified national defense documents with him, and without telling anyone who needed to know that he was doing so, and then storing them in unauthorized unsecured places. That's really dangerous, if true, and probably why its illegal. How does Trump attempt to fix that? By stonewalling attempts to retrieve the classified information and apparently lying about it all too. This current Trump situation is completely different than anything described in that irrelevant article posted by Joedirt, who probably just read the title and thought it looked like a decent prop for some low-grade whataboutyouism.
Well here is another article and the source is Obama's own appointed archivist. The same archivist that started the whole documents probe against Trump.
That article joedirt posted doesn't even suggest Obam did anything wrong with documents. It quotes Julian Assange, of all people, as saying he heard "that destruction of records is occurring now in different parts of the Obama administration." Assign whatever sinister value you want to that bit of double hearsay from a highly questionable source, but also consider that the Presidential Record Act expressly assumes and allows outgoing administrations to "dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value." You don't have to keep the mountains of irrelevant documents generated over years in a bureaucracy with tens of thousands employees.
The current issue with Trump isn't that he destroyed documents, and his administration presumably did destroy thousands of documents when he left. It's that Trump appears to have deliberately TAKEN top secret, classified national defense documents with him, and without telling anyone who needed to know that he was doing so, and then storing them in unauthorized unsecured places. That's really dangerous, if true, and probably why its illegal. How does Trump attempt to fix that? By stonewalling attempts to retrieve the classified information and apparently lying about it all too. This current Trump situation is completely different than anything described in that irrelevant article posted by Joedirt, who probably just read the title and thought it looked like a decent prop for some low-grade whataboutyouism.
Oh, I'm aware! These crazies keep bringing out the kitchen sink to avoid reality. It's pathetic.
I fully believe Trump was/is selling our secrets. I can't find anything about Obama even remotely doing anything comparable. It's insane how intensely delusional joedirt and Adult are.
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but it seems that some are really not understanding the situation. The three laws at issue in the Mar-a-Lago raid DO NOT hinge on whether the documents were classified or declassified:
Section 793 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code aka the Espionage Act focuses on harm to the United States or aid to an adversary;
Section 1519 deals with obstruction;
Section 2071 criminalizes theft or destruction of government documents.
In each case, whether a given document is or was classified, declassified, or other is irrelevant.
And yes, I am an attorney. LRC has several among its regulars. Perhaps more will weigh in. If they do, I hope they'll start from the information above.
I don't. I find it much easier to believe that he took them simply because nobody sorted them before he had to leave the WH, and everything just got packed up at the last minute.
Or because he thought of them as his, and of course he could do what he wanted with his stuff.
Or he just thought some of them were kinda neat, maybe something to impress a visitor in coming years.
In general, I tend to be skeptical about claiming nefarious intent--when simple incompetence and negligence can explain things equally well.
That article joedirt posted doesn't even suggest Obam did anything wrong with documents. It quotes Julian Assange, of all people, as saying he heard "that destruction of records is occurring now in different parts of the Obama administration." Assign whatever sinister value you want to that bit of double hearsay from a highly questionable source, but also consider that the Presidential Record Act expressly assumes and allows outgoing administrations to "dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value." You don't have to keep the mountains of irrelevant documents generated over years in a bureaucracy with tens of thousands employees.
The current issue with Trump isn't that he destroyed documents, and his administration presumably did destroy thousands of documents when he left. It's that Trump appears to have deliberately TAKEN top secret, classified national defense documents with him, and without telling anyone who needed to know that he was doing so, and then storing them in unauthorized unsecured places. That's really dangerous, if true, and probably why its illegal. How does Trump attempt to fix that? By stonewalling attempts to retrieve the classified information and apparently lying about it all too. This current Trump situation is completely different than anything described in that irrelevant article posted by Joedirt, who probably just read the title and thought it looked like a decent prop for some low-grade whataboutyouism.
Oh, I'm aware! These crazies keep bringing out the kitchen sink to avoid reality. It's pathetic.
I fully believe Trump was/is selling our secrets. I can't find anything about Obama even remotely doing anything comparable. It's insane how intensely delusional joedirt and Adult are.
Obama weaponized government agencies like the IRS, FBI, and DoJ to attack his political opponents. He spied on US citizens, including journalists like James Rosen to attack his political opponents. His FBI falsified documents to obtain FISA warrants to spy on an opposing presidential campaign.
You "can't find anything" because looking in the wrong places.
Remember when Susan Rice panicked about losing the election and got worries about what the incoming administration might find? So they shredded THOUSANDS of documents and then she sent an e-mail to HERSELF the day before Trump's inauguration saying she wasn't a criminal?
I don't. I find it much easier to believe that he took them simply because nobody sorted them before he had to leave the WH, and everything just got packed up at the last minute.
Or because he thought of them as his, and of course he could do what he wanted with his stuff.
Or he just thought some of them were kinda neat, maybe something to impress a visitor in coming years.
In general, I tend to be skeptical about claiming nefarious intent--when simple incompetence and negligence can explain things equally well.
Have you been paying attention AT ALL for the last 40+ years with Trump? Seriously?
Why are you making excuses for the guy? I mean, maybe trump is just a dumb-ass idiot. Like dumber than some of the dummies I've encountered in life. He's so stupid and unintelligent that he likes shiny things.I mean, he loves shiny so much that he looks at the sun during a solar eclipse. LOL.
"Oh look, this TSI material is neat. I wanna keep it." Trump, probably. I would believe that one.
Trump's negligence is gross, deliberate, and a threat to National Security.
1/ if the Fed’s don’t indict trump on this, they will set a precedent that they really don’t indict people for mishandling docs. Would make future prosecutions difficult. So they might need to indict.
2/ if trump let MAL workers near the documents then he is guilty of letting non-approved people near classified information.
Apparently there are surveillance tapes showing people going in and out of the room. Unless those people were all government employees with the appropriate clearance, then he did let unauthorized people have access.
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