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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Commode flusher wrote:

I think it was Trump's idea to give Afghanistan back to the Taliban. But you should look it up and see if Trump ever initiated negotiations with the terrorist Taliban and gave them concessions. Then you can report back here with an affirmative or a denial as to whether Trump ever negotiated with the Taliban. Remember, whataboutyouismness is strictly prohibited now.

This Taliban negotiation thing may shape up to be one of those things where you were for it before you against it. Very Kerryesque.

Anyway, that's all swill under the bridge. The bottom line is that two weeks ago, Trump set an American deposition record for pleading the Fifth Amendment. Four hundred fifty two (452) times in one depo, shattering the previous record of thirty six (36) held by O.J. Simpson set in January 1996. I can't see anyone even coming close to Trump's valid exercise of his Constitutional rights again. Truly a historic depo.

Trump negotiated to end the war in Afghanistan not to hand the country to the Taliban.

The Trump plan was to give control to the Afghan government and end US involvement. Not to simply cut and run overnight without even telling our allies like Biden did.

joedlrt wrote:

1. You are for silencing a dissenting voice?

2. You are against the idea of seeking a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine and instead favor taking out a loan from China to give money to the military industrial complex (this is not about helping Ukraine, this is about giving someone like Lockheed $250,000 a pop for a Javelin missile that can kill a crew of Russians in a $250,000 tank) in a manner that will create a prolonged conflict in Ukraine that will fund the MIC for years.

3. Now you are a Trumper? Ron Paul is not afraid to speak the truth. Certain establishment Republicans don't like him because he calls out reckless pork spending, engagement in endless foreign wars, and other stupidity that conservatives should oppose.

4. Guess you missed the part where the reporter filed the paperwork the year before, but it didn't go through, his wife used her own money and lost money in the investment.

5. Which part of we were giving them $50 billion a year do you disagree with? You'd rather see us give the Taliban $6-7 billion more? Because the money wouldn't end up enriching starving Afghans, it would be misappropriated and enrich the Taliban.

Commode flusher wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Trump negotiated to end the war in Afghanistan not to hand the country to the Taliban.

The Trump plan was to give control to the Afghan government and end US involvement. Not to simply cut and run overnight without even telling our allies like Biden did.

Of all the lying, duplicitous posts you have made, this one takes the slop sauce. What is wrong with you, like mentally and stuff? Why would post something that is so obviously a lie? Because it feels good in the moment? That's called addiction.

Trump negotiated WITH THE TALIBAN to hand over the country TO THE TALIBAN. Trump specifically and deliberately bypassed the Afghan government to negotiate WITH THE TALIBAN. Trump EXECUTED an agreement WITH THE TALIBAN for US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump AGREED to the release of Taliban terrorists.

Here is the announcement from the Republican National Committee (RNC):

Link:web.archive.org/web/20201010184542/gop...

Here are quotes from the Republican National Committee:

"PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTINUED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN PEACE TALKS AS HE SIGNED A HISTORIC PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN"

"On February 2, 2020, the Trump Administration signed a preliminary peace agreement with the Taliban"

• The Trump-Taliban Agreement was signed in February 2020

• The Taliban is a terrorist organization that declared war on America and harbored Al Qaeda and Oslama bin Lad

• Trump even sent Pompo to meet and greet the Taliban

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to release of 5,000 Taliban terrorists

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan

• You are a pro-Hezbollical

• Trump negotiated DIRECTLY with the Taliban

• Trump tried to lick the sandals of the Taliban negotiators (Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai, Mohammad Abbas Stanekzai and Aw Fangoo), but the Secret Service wouldn't let him for security reasons

• Donald Trump, while offering a cucumber and parsley sandwich to Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai: "We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough. They’re very smart. They’re very sharp, but you know, it’s been 19 years and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness."

• Donald Trump: "We’re having some very good discussions with the Taliban."

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Commode flusher wrote:

Of all the lying, duplicitous posts you have made, this one takes the slop sauce. What is wrong with you, like mentally and stuff? Why would post something that is so obviously a lie? Because it feels good in the moment? That's called addiction.

Trump negotiated WITH THE TALIBAN to hand over the country TO THE TALIBAN. Trump specifically and deliberately bypassed the Afghan government to negotiate WITH THE TALIBAN. Trump EXECUTED an agreement WITH THE TALIBAN for US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump AGREED to the release of Taliban terrorists.

Here is the announcement from the Republican National Committee (RNC):

Link:web.archive.org/web/20201010184542/gop...

Here are quotes from the Republican National Committee:

"PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTINUED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN PEACE TALKS AS HE SIGNED A HISTORIC PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN"

"On February 2, 2020, the Trump Administration signed a preliminary peace agreement with the Taliban"

• The Trump-Taliban Agreement was signed in February 2020

• The Taliban is a terrorist organization that declared war on America and harbored Al Qaeda and Oslama bin Lad

• Trump even sent Pompo to meet and greet the Taliban

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to release of 5,000 Taliban terrorists

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan

• You are a pro-Hezbollical

• Trump negotiated DIRECTLY with the Taliban

• Trump tried to lick the sandals of the Taliban negotiators (Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai, Mohammad Abbas Stanekzai and Aw Fangoo), but the Secret Service wouldn't let him for security reasons

• Donald Trump, while offering a cucumber and parsley sandwich to Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai: "We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough. They’re very smart. They’re very sharp, but you know, it’s been 19 years and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness."

• Donald Trump: "We’re having some very good discussions with the Taliban."

The text of the agreement is available online... Maybe you should read the actual agreement.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Commode flusher wrote:

Of all the lying, duplicitous posts you have made, this one takes the slop sauce. What is wrong with you, like mentally and stuff? Why would post something that is so obviously a lie? Because it feels good in the moment? That's called addiction.

Trump negotiated WITH THE TALIBAN to hand over the country TO THE TALIBAN. Trump specifically and deliberately bypassed the Afghan government to negotiate WITH THE TALIBAN. Trump EXECUTED an agreement WITH THE TALIBAN for US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump AGREED to the release of Taliban terrorists.

Here is the announcement from the Republican National Committee (RNC):

Link:web.archive.org/web/20201010184542/gop...

Here are quotes from the Republican National Committee:

"PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTINUED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN PEACE TALKS AS HE SIGNED A HISTORIC PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN"

"On February 2, 2020, the Trump Administration signed a preliminary peace agreement with the Taliban"

• The Trump-Taliban Agreement was signed in February 2020

• The Taliban is a terrorist organization that declared war on America and harbored Al Qaeda and Oslama bin Lad

• Trump even sent Pompo to meet and greet the Taliban

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to release of 5,000 Taliban terrorists

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan

• You are a pro-Hezbollical

• Trump negotiated DIRECTLY with the Taliban

• Trump tried to lick the sandals of the Taliban negotiators (Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai, Mohammad Abbas Stanekzai and Aw Fangoo), but the Secret Service wouldn't let him for security reasons

• Donald Trump, while offering a cucumber and parsley sandwich to Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai: "We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough. They’re very smart. They’re very sharp, but you know, it’s been 19 years and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness."

• Donald Trump: "We’re having some very good discussions with the Taliban."

The text of the agreement is available online... Maybe you should read the actual agreement.

Trump negotiated with the Taliban because they were the belligerents. Who else would you negotiate with??

Yes a prisoner swap was part of the agreement as a sign of good faith. The Taliban would release Afghan prisoners in exchange for the release of their own prisoners. This isn't unusual in the slightest.

The peace treaty called for the Afghan government to remain in place. No where in the peace agreement does it say the Taliban would be left in control of the country.

1. Guarantees and enforcement mechanisms that will prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by any group or individual against the security of the United States and its allies.
2. Guarantees, enforcement mechanisms, and announcement of a timeline for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan.
3 After the announcement of guarantees for a complete withdrawal of foreign forces and timeline in the presence of international witnesses, and guarantees and the announcement in the presence of international witnesses that Afghan soil will not be used against the security of the United States and its allies, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will start intra-Afghan negotiations with Afghan sides on March 10, 2020, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
3. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan.

Once the Taliban broke the ceasefire (about 3 seconds after Biden cut tail and ran in the dark of night) the treaty was broken.

If Trump was in office when it happened he would have bombed the hell out of the Taliban.

Trump wasn't in office and the Taliban knew they could do whatever the hell they wanted without consequence.

Commode flusher wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

The text of the agreement is available online... Maybe you should read the actual agreement.

I know the Trump-Taliban Agreement is online. I posted some of its terms. And a lot of other stuff, like the fact that Trump negotiated directly with Taliban terrorists and bypassed the Afghan government.

Liar in the Room wrote:

Trump negotiated with the Taliban because they were the belligerents.

You now ADMIT that Trump negotiated with terrorists.

Liar in the Room: wrote:

Who else would you negotiate with??

I wouldn't negotiate with terrorists. I think that is a terrible strategy -- it emboldens terrorists and makes America look weak. Disgusting cowardice. You may as well go urinate on the graves of American soldiers if you negotiate with the Taliban. Six o' one.

Trump would negotiate with Taliban terrorists though. Trump would negotiate with Taliban terrorists who declared war on America and killed American citizens in terrorist attacks. You know how we know Trump would negotiate with terrorists who declared war on America and killed American citizens in terrorist attacks?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

The text of the agreement is available online... Maybe you should read the actual agreement.

Trump negotiated with the Taliban because they were the belligerents. Who else would you negotiate with??

Yes a prisoner swap was part of the agreement as a sign of good faith. The Taliban would release Afghan prisoners in exchange for the release of their own prisoners. This isn't unusual in the slightest.

The peace treaty called for the Afghan government to remain in place. No where in the peace agreement does it say the Taliban would be left in control of the country.

1. Guarantees and enforcement mechanisms that will prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by any group or individual against the security of the United States and its allies.
2. Guarantees, enforcement mechanisms, and announcement of a timeline for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan.
3 After the announcement of guarantees for a complete withdrawal of foreign forces and timeline in the presence of international witnesses, and guarantees and the announcement in the presence of international witnesses that Afghan soil will not be used against the security of the United States and its allies, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will start intra-Afghan negotiations with Afghan sides on March 10, 2020, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
3. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan.

Once the Taliban broke the ceasefire (about 3 seconds after Biden cut tail and ran in the dark of night) the treaty was broken.

If Trump was in office when it happened he would have bombed the hell out of the Taliban.

Trump wasn't in office and the Taliban knew they could do whatever the hell they wanted without consequence.

Why didn’t we bomb the hell out of the Taliban 20 years ago? The Taliban would have agreed to anything Trump (actually other people) wanted, but enforcement of the agreement after that the U.S. left was a different matter.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

joedlrt wrote:

1. You are for silencing a dissenting voice?

2. You are against the idea of seeking a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine and instead favor taking out a loan from China to give money to the military industrial complex (this is not about helping Ukraine, this is about giving someone like Lockheed $250,000 a pop for a Javelin missile that can kill a crew of Russians in a $250,000 tank) in a manner that will create a prolonged conflict in Ukraine that will fund the MIC for years.

3. Now you are a Trumper? Ron Paul is not afraid to speak the truth. Certain establishment Republicans don't like him because he calls out reckless pork spending, engagement in endless foreign wars, and other stupidity that conservatives should oppose.

4. Guess you missed the part where the reporter filed the paperwork the year before, but it didn't go through, his wife used her own money and lost money in the investment.

5. Which part of we were giving them $50 billion a year do you disagree with? You'd rather see us give the Taliban $6-7 billion more? Because the money wouldn't end up enriching starving Afghans, it would be misappropriated and enrich the Taliban.

What’s the diplomatic solution to the Ukraine/Russia war? I don’t see a compromise between Ukraine surrendering and the Russians leaving.

Commode flusher wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Trump negotiated to end the war in Afghanistan not to hand the country to the Taliban.

The Trump plan was to give control to the Afghan government and end US involvement. Not to simply cut and run overnight without even telling our allies like Biden did.

Of all the lying, duplicitous posts you have made, this one takes the slop sauce. What is wrong with you, like mentally and stuff? Why would post something that is so obviously a lie? Because it feels good in the moment? That's called addiction.

Trump negotiated WITH THE TALIBAN to hand over the country TO THE TALIBAN. Trump specifically and deliberately bypassed the Afghan government to negotiate WITH THE TALIBAN. Trump EXECUTED an agreement WITH THE TALIBAN for US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump AGREED to the release of Taliban terrorists.

Here is the announcement from the Republican National Committee (RNC):

Link:web.archive.org/web/20201010184542/gop...

Here are quotes from the Republican National Committee:

"PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTINUED TO TAKE THE LEAD IN PEACE TALKS AS HE SIGNED A HISTORIC PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN"

"On February 2, 2020, the Trump Administration signed a preliminary peace agreement with the Taliban"

• The Trump-Taliban Agreement was signed in February 2020

• The Taliban is a terrorist organization that declared war on America and harbored Al Qaeda and Oslama bin Lad

• Trump even sent Pompo to meet and greet the Taliban

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to release of 5,000 Taliban terrorists

• Trump agreed with the Taliban to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan

• You are a pro-Hezbollical

• Trump negotiated DIRECTLY with the Taliban

• Trump tried to lick the sandals of the Taliban negotiators (Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai, Mohammad Abbas Stanekzai and Aw Fangoo), but the Secret Service wouldn't let him for security reasons

• Donald Trump, while offering a cucumber and parsley sandwich to Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai: "We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough. They’re very smart. They’re very sharp, but you know, it’s been 19 years and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness."

• Donald Trump: "We’re having some very good discussions with the Taliban."