Clearance is a little more complicated when the president is involved GI Jane.
You're really dumb. What does being a POG (person other than grunt) have to do with anything? Document control is document control. The President has the same requirements handling TS material as a PVT with a TS clearance. There are no special rules for SES/elected officials.
Still, you talk out of your ass because you have nothing. Clownhead.
You had to google pogue...and still got it wrong... lol....
The president has the authority to declassify documents. You have no idea what you're talking.
Clownhead, the declassification process is just that...a process. The Pres can't just snap their fingers and POOF...change in classification.
Keep acting like you know what you're talking about. I lived it. I got the DD214 to prove it.
The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority. "The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant." Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will." In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues." The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."
You specifically cited a letter and said it showed Biden was "heavily involved." You didn't say what he was "heavily involved" in, but we can assume you meant all the federal government actions involved in retrieving classified documents from Trump's compound.
The letter you cited shows the entire extent of Biden's involvement was (1) to be informed that a former president had NEVER asserted privilege AGAINST a current president, and (2) that Biden said he would defer to NARA's judgment as to whether executive privilege was appropriate. That's it.
I don't see how you can assert that the letter YOU cited is Biden being "heavily involved" in anything regarding Trump's possession of classified documents. And you didn't even try to defend your words, rather typed this rather meaningless statement: "We'll see how the court sees it." The issue was how YOU saw it, and you claimed to see it as "heavily involved."
You seem to just talk yourself in circles using sources that are either deficient and bogus, or even worse, don't say what you say they do.
1. The president deferring to NARA is giving NARA permission to ignore executive privilege.
It's giving NARA permission to determine whether executive privilege applies. In making that determination, NARA can consider whether any former president in the history of the US has ever made a claim of executive privilege against the current president. Then, when NARA is done laughing about that, they can analyze whether there is any way that a claim of executive privilege by a former president could possibly apply when one agency in the federal government wants to share documents with another agency in the federal government on matters involving Top Secret/SCI information.
DisingenuousintheRoom wrote:
2. Biden lied and said he had nothing to do with the raid when the document proves he gave permission for it.
The document you cited is a letter dated May 11, 2022. The raid on Mar-A-Bango was on August 8, 2022, pursuant to search warrant requested on August 5, 2022, which was based on evidence discovered AFTER May 11, 2022. It is factually, chronologically and metaphysically impossible for Biden to have lied on or before May 11, 2022 about a raid three (3) months in the future. There is no mention of a raid or a search warrant in the May 11, 2022 letter that you cited. There is no mention of Biden giving permission for anything. The only mention of Biden in the letter is the single instance where the NARA archivist says she was informed that Biden was deferring to her judgment on the meritless executive privilege issues.
"heavily involved" "Biden lied" etc. -- Again, you don't even seem to read the sources you post or understand their contents. I think there is something wrong with you. You act like a mental patient.
1. The president deferring to NARA is giving NARA permission to ignore executive privilege.
It's giving NARA permission to determine whether executive privilege applies. In making that determination, NARA can consider whether any former president in the history of the US has ever made a claim of executive privilege against the current president. Then, when NARA is done laughing about that, they can analyze whether there is any way that a claim of executive privilege by a former president could possibly apply when one agency in the federal government wants to share documents with another agency in the federal government on matters involving Top Secret/SCI information.
DisingenuousintheRoom wrote:
2. Biden lied and said he had nothing to do with the raid when the document proves he gave permission for it.
The document you cited is a letter dated May 11, 2022. The raid on Mar-A-Bango was on August 8, 2022, pursuant to search warrant requested on August 5, 2022, which was based on evidence discovered AFTER May 11, 2022. It is factually, chronologically and metaphysically impossible for Biden to have lied on or before May 11, 2022 about a raid three (3) months in the future. There is no mention of a raid or a search warrant in the May 11, 2022 letter that you cited. There is no mention of Biden giving permission for anything. The only mention of Biden in the letter is the single instance where the NARA archivist says she was informed that Biden was deferring to her judgment on the meritless executive privilege issues.
"heavily involved" "Biden lied" etc. -- Again, you don't even seem to read the sources you post or understand their contents. I think there is something wrong with you. You act like a mental patient.
Jesus Christ...
Biden wasn't asked about the raid until after it happened. The lie was denying any involvement at all which he did.
And who the F are you to decide privilege claims are "meritless"
It's giving NARA permission to determine whether executive privilege applies. In making that determination, NARA can consider whether any former president in the history of the US has ever made a claim of executive privilege against the current president. Then, when NARA is done laughing about that, they can analyze whether there is any way that a claim of executive privilege by a former president could possibly apply when one agency in the federal government wants to share documents with another agency in the federal government on matters involving Top Secret/SCI information.
The document you cited is a letter dated May 11, 2022. The raid on Mar-A-Bango was on August 8, 2022, pursuant to search warrant requested on August 5, 2022, which was based on evidence discovered AFTER May 11, 2022. It is factually, chronologically and metaphysically impossible for Biden to have lied on or before May 11, 2022 about a raid three (3) months in the future. There is no mention of a raid or a search warrant in the May 11, 2022 letter that you cited. There is no mention of Biden giving permission for anything. The only mention of Biden in the letter is the single instance where the NARA archivist says she was informed that Biden was deferring to her judgment on the meritless executive privilege issues.
"heavily involved" "Biden lied" etc. -- Again, you don't even seem to read the sources you post or understand their contents. I think there is something wrong with you. You act like a mental patient.
Jesus Christ...
Biden wasn't asked about the raid until after it happened. The lie was denying any involvement at all which he did.
Jesus goddam Christ . . . .
You posted this: "Biden lied and said he had nothing to do with the raid when the document proves he gave permission for it."
By "raid" you meant the execution of the search warrant on Mar-El-Hez in August 11, 2022.
By "the document" you meant the May 11, 2022 letter that you cited earlier.
By "proves" you meant at least some evidence In the May 11, 2022 letter tending to show some probability that your assertion regarding "lied" and "permission" is true.
By "permission for it" you meant permission for the execution of the search warrant on Mar-El-Hez in August 11, 2022.
"The document" doesn't "prove" "permission" for a "raid" or jack. It is factually, chronologically, and metaphysically impossible for "the document" to "prove" that Biden gave permission for the "raid" when "the document" is dated May 11, 2022 and the "raid" was on August 11, 2022 and there is no "permission," "raid," or "search warrant" mentioned in "the document." No one on earth on or before May 11, 2022 knew about a raid or a search warrant in August 2022.
Bogacious wrote:
And who the F are you to decide privilege claims are "meritless"
I'm a guy on the internet who can (1) read cases about executive privilege and what it applies to, (2) become cognizant of the fact that no former president in the history of the US has ever made a claim of executive privilege against the current president, and (3) read the discussion in the May 11, 2022 letter that YOU cited, in particular the discussion regarding the fact that this is a claim of executive privilege over INTRA-agency sharing of documents that one agency already has, and (4) become aware that Trump delayed assertion of his claim to executive privilege over these documents for weeks and appears to have dropped it. Right? He has dropped the claim as to these documents, right?
Biden wasn't asked about the raid until after it happened. The lie was denying any involvement at all which he did.
Jesus goddam Christ . . . .
You posted this: "Biden lied and said he had nothing to do with the raid when the document proves he gave permission for it."
By "raid" you meant the execution of the search warrant on Mar-El-Hez in August 11, 2022.
By "the document" you meant the May 11, 2022 letter that you cited earlier.
By "proves" you meant at least some evidence In the May 11, 2022 letter tending to show some probability that your assertion regarding "lied" and "permission" is true.
By "permission for it" you meant permission for the execution of the search warrant on Mar-El-Hez in August 11, 2022.
"The document" doesn't "prove" "permission" for a "raid" or jack. It is factually, chronologically, and metaphysically impossible for "the document" to "prove" that Biden gave permission for the "raid" when "the document" is dated May 11, 2022 and the "raid" was on August 11, 2022 and there is no "permission," "raid," or "search warrant" mentioned in "the document." No one on earth on or before May 11, 2022 knew about a raid or a search warrant in August 2022.
Bogacious wrote:
And who the F are you to decide privilege claims are "meritless"
I'm a guy on the internet who can (1) read cases about executive privilege and what it applies to, (2) become cognizant of the fact that no former president in the history of the US has ever made a claim of executive privilege against the current president, and (3) read the discussion in the May 11, 2022 letter that YOU cited, in particular the discussion regarding the fact that this is a claim of executive privilege over INTRA-agency sharing of documents that one agency already has, and (4) become aware that Trump delayed assertion of his claim to executive privilege over these documents for weeks and appears to have dropped it. Right? He has dropped the claim as to these documents, right?
Are you seriously this dumb or are you just being dishonest?
The raid didn't pop out of thin air.
Giving the NARA the latitude to revoke executive privilege literally created the the "crime" that justified the warrant that was the basis for the raid.
Biden claimed he didn't know about any of it. He lied.
You had to google pogue...and still got it wrong... lol....
The president has the authority to declassify documents. You have no idea what you're talking.
Google "REMF" now.
You are dumber than sh!t. Of course the president has the authority to declassify some documents BUT there is a specific process for that and not everything can be declassified. Of course 45 could have never figured out that process. He just thought that he needed 30 boxes full of paper in his basement because he thought it was "his". Which is of course against the presidential records act.
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2209, is an Act of the United States Congress governing the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents created or received after January 20, 1981, and mand...
Biden wasn't asked about the raid until after it happened. The lie was denying any involvement at all which he did.
Jesus goddam Christ . . . .
You posted this: "Biden lied and said he had nothing to do with the raid when the document proves he gave permission for it."
By "raid" you meant the execution of the search warrant on Mar-El-Hez in August 11, 2022.
By "the document" you meant the May 11, 2022 letter that you cited earlier.
By "proves" you meant at least some evidence In the May 11, 2022 letter tending to show some probability that your assertion regarding "lied" and "permission" is true.
By "permission for it" you meant permission for the execution of the search warrant on Mar-El-Hez in August 11, 2022.
"The document" doesn't "prove" "permission" for a "raid" or jack. It is factually, chronologically, and metaphysically impossible for "the document" to "prove" that Biden gave permission for the "raid" when "the document" is dated May 11, 2022 and the "raid" was on August 11, 2022 and there is no "permission," "raid," or "search warrant" mentioned in "the document." No one on earth on or before May 11, 2022 knew about a raid or a search warrant in August 2022.
Bogacious wrote:
And who the F are you to decide privilege claims are "meritless"
I'm a guy on the internet who can (1) read cases about executive privilege and what it applies to, (2) become cognizant of the fact that no former president in the history of the US has ever made a claim of executive privilege against the current president, and (3) read the discussion in the May 11, 2022 letter that YOU cited, in particular the discussion regarding the fact that this is a claim of executive privilege over INTRA-agency sharing of documents that one agency already has, and (4) become aware that Trump delayed assertion of his claim to executive privilege over these documents for weeks and appears to have dropped it. Right? He has dropped the claim as to these documents, right?
Some of you same 6-8 folks really need therapy. No one can be this volatile about something they have zero control over..do not come close to knowing all the facts, and are so set in their positions there is NO allowing for normal discussion.
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