New HEPS thread for 2009

Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:

Sorry BRF, but I beat you to the punch. I did a prediction of the HEP scoring based on the top 20 as of 4/18/09.

Dude! Don't be *sorry*--I'm relieved that someone else did the work! (And did it probably more carefully than I would have, given my screwups with the indoor listings.)

I also agree with your methodology of two cases. From that standpoint, it's probably most accurate to call the men's meet close to a tossup as of right now--Cornell's (likely) edge in the relays might be enough to overcome its deficit in your second scenario.

On the women's side, neither Columbia nor Harvard particularly surprises me, nor the fact that Brown and Pennn are close to them. And I think that, when the 3,000 and 10,000 are actually contested, Princeton will once again score a bunch more points than currently projected, so a *really* competitive meet there.

I'm not sure what's going on with Maduka. She's a senior and may be deep in the whole med-school process at this point, or may be training strictly with an eye on the national-level meets. I know she was on a 4x100 squad early on, but don't think she's run an open 100 or 200 outdoors. (She may simply be specializing in the jumps this season--I hope she's not injured.) Certainly her (non)participation in the sprints could make a big difference in Cornell's scoring.

Anyway, thanks again--nice job.

Glad you like the analysis. :-)

As for Maduka, she hasn't done a running event outside of the 4x100 relay. She might just be focusing on the national title in the long jump and All-American in the triple... I'm not sure. She hasn't been competing much this season with her team in general. Cornell has enough sprinters to replace her. But with no Maduka in the relay, then the 4x100 will be a closer race than the current standings suggest (since Maduka was on that team when they ran that time).

I'll try and check the listing again after this weekend, given the Penn and Drake Relays are going on in some wonderful weather conditions. Plenty of fast times should be a result of all of this (at least for the 800m on down anyways).

Hepstrack.com has a nice little pre-meet summary of the Penn Relays on its website, with links to each team's entries for the meet.

http://hepstrack.com/

You can also see event-by-event results through the team's entries as well, since they give links to the start listing and final results for each event.

And congrats to Penn's Max Westman for winning the College Men's Decathlon on Thursday.

Jeff Randall of Columbia ran 849 for 2nd in the steeplechase.

chas gillepsie 1401 in the 5k

Big PR for Chas. Funny how the website said that Dan Chenoweth was to run at Penn... maybe he's doing Drake? I know some of the Harvard runners are doing Drake, while the remainder of the team is going to UMass for a Pre-conference meet. The UMass men's distance is pretty good (I think as a team they beat Harvard at XC Regionals this past fall), so maybe more of them are waiting for that... will let you know when results are posted.

nice to see harvard with 2 strong runners up front. should make for an interesting xc season this fall if they can get some of the underclassmen to breakthrough.

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nice to see harvard with 2 strong runners up front. should make for an interesting xc season this fall if they can get some of the underclassmen to breakthrough.

Like Jarett (sp)...whatever happened to that guy, wasn't he 6th at FLN as a senior?

Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:

Hepstrack.com has a nice little pre-meet summary of the Penn Relays on its website, with links to each team's entries for the meet.

http://hepstrack.com/

You can also see event-by-event results through the team's entries as well, since they give links to the start listing and final results for each event.

Thanks for this link! Impressive to see the Cornell 4x400 squads win their Heps races, and then come back the next day and both run ~4secs faster in the IC4A/ECAC races (3:10/3:42). Also good to see that Wyner is getting back into shape (~4:05 on 4xMi). Still no Maduka? I do hope she's not hurt.

Anyway, *tons* of outstanding Ivy performances at Penn this year. Very impressive. You were right, C/MR: the DA performance listings are going to see a major overhaul, and I think there could be a few position changes in the projected scoring.

Thanks for all your work.

And thanks to DirectAthletics for adding a flat 3000 to the women's listings! I (and maybe others?) had emailed them about it and they responded quickly.

Yay for the 3000m listings, but too bad currently they all are showing indoor times. Eh oh well.

Not many of the Penn/Drake/other performances have been updated on DA yet. Hopefully they'll be up in the next few days. I should have another scoring prediction by Thursday at the latest.

Curious, but how many people are thinking of attending Heps this year at UPenn?

Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:

Yay for the 3000m listings, but too bad currently they all are showing indoor times. Eh oh well.

Yeah, I wish I'd caught that. Dunno whether they'll go back and add all the marks from the previous outdoor meets. Seems unlikely...

Well, I take that back. I went 25 deep on that list and saw that at least an athlete's mark from Penn Relays is there. I guess everyone else's indoor mark is faster--or else the outdoor meets before this past weekend haven't been gone through--so still not much help.

Still, I'm glad that DA picked up on the *other* meets that were going on during Penn weekend. Cornell hosted one, at least--don't know whether other Ivies did--and there were some excellent marks, including a big throw by Matos:

"Competing against 12 other teams, the Big Red women compiled 11 event wins, two ECAC and two NCAA Regional qualifying marks and the men had four event wins, eight IC4A qualifiers and another NCAA Regional qualifier. On the women's side, senior co-captain Maria Matos broke facility, school and Ivy League records in throwing 173-3 in the discus. Also bettering the NCAA Regional standard was junior Natalie Gengel, who cleared 12-5 1/2 in the pole vault.

"There was some terrific long jump action as four Cornell men exceeded 23 feet. Junior Duane Teixeira soared to #5 all-time at Cornell, with a leap of 24-10 1/2, easily bettering the NCAA Regional standard. Sophomore Julian Remouns was second with an IC4A qualifier of 23-9, freshman Vince Formica was third at 23-6 1/4 and sophomore Enbani Moore was fifth at 23-1 1/2. Junior Dale Taylor fought hard in the 10K to place second and just dipped under the IC4A standard, running 31:07.80.

"In the field, Cornell had wins from freshman Erin Rossi in the hammer (151-6) and senior Erin Folger in the javelin (125-6) and IC4A qualifiers from freshman Bob Belden in the shot put (2nd, 52-6), senior Erik Roneker (1st, 166-8) and junior Scott Jaffee (2nd, 163-6) in the discus and Roneker (2nd, 182-8) and junior Damian Silverstrim (3rd, 174-10) in the hammer.

"Other event wins on the day came from sophomore Kim Lienhoop in the triple jump (38-10 1/2), junior Krystal Williams in the 100 (12.17), sophomore Maura Carroll in the 3K steeplechase (11:06.56), freshman Christine Smith in the 5000 (18:00.53), sophomore Kristin Sellers in the 10K (38:20.56), freshman Daniel Thomas in the 400 (49.36), and senior Jim Smith in the high jump (6-6 3/4)."

Results from the Big Red Invite can be found here:

I find it very interesting that the men's LJ distances are suddenly within the top 10 of the conference, considering most of them did not have a mark until this meet...

Don't worry, I've been able to find recent 3K results from Ivy dual/tri meets. I don't have anything for Cornell yet, so I might have to do some more searching.

Other news:

Yale and Brown hosted their own Springtime Invitationals on Sunday:

Yale -

http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/w-track/recaps/042609aaa.html

Brown men -

http://www.brownbears.com/sports/m-track/stats/2008-2009/menresults.html

Brown women -

http://www.brownbears.com/sports/w-track/stats/2008-2009/womenresults.html

Members of Harvard and most of Dartmouth went to the UMass Preconference Meet on Saturday.

Women -

http://umassathletics.cstv.com/sports/w-track/stats/2008-2009/4-25women.html

Men -

http://umassathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-track/stats/2008-2009/4-25men.html

Bump!

Ok, now that the biggest relay carnivals have been run/thrown/jumped, the predicted points for Heps have been updated.

I did a prediction of the HEP scoring based on the top 20 as of 4/27/09. The reason for top 20 is that some people who had high indoor marks have not yet exceeded them for outdoors, so the rankings shifted around slight. I used the (10-8-6-4-2-1), with ties being the average between the respective points for placing. I calculated the scoring two ways: the first way was using all of the events listed on DA (except for men 4x8), and the second way by not including the relays, multis, 10K, and women 3K (for I feel these placements would not represent the true field at HEPS and in some cases, only two or three schools have actually competed in them).

Case 1: all events (except mens 4x8) on DA:

Men:

1. Cornell - 186

2. Princeton - 130

3. Yale - 75

4. Penn - 72

5. Dartmouth - 57

6. Columbia - 50

7. Harvard - 46

8. Brown - 42

Women:

1. Cornell - 158.5

2. Columbia - 108

3. Princeton - 103

4. Harvard - 99.33

5. Penn - 82.83

6. Dartmouth - 73.33

7. Brown - 69

8. Yale - 21

Case 2: all events on DA except relays, multis, 10K, and 3K (women)

Men:

1. Cornell - 132

2. Princeton - 125

3. Yale - 61

4. Columbia - 49

5. Penn - 46

6 (tie). Harvard and Dartmouth - 41

8. Brown - 42

Women:

1. Cornell - 102.5

2. Columbia - 92

3. Harvard - 79.33

4. Brown - 68

5. Princeton - 66

6. Penn - 58.33

7. Dartmouth - 53.33

8. Yale - 9

Amazing what a week's difference can do for the scoring... Check the quoted section below on the differences on point distribution among the teams.

I know Harvard is taking this upcoming weekend off from competing. Do we know if there are any competitions this upcoming weekend for the Ivies?

[quote]Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:

Sorry BRF, but I beat you to the punch. I did a prediction of the HEP scoring based on the top 20 as of 4/18/09. The reason for top 20 is that some people who had high indoor marks have not yet exceeded them for outdoors, so the rankings shifted around slight. I used the (10-8-6-4-2-1), with ties being the average between the respective points for placing. I calculated the scoring two ways: the first way was using all of the events listed on DA (except for men 4x8 and women 3K), and the second way by not including the relays, multis, 10K, and women 3K (for I feel these placements would not represent the true field at HEPS and in some cases, only two or three schools have actually competed in them).

Case 1 - Men:

1. Cornell - 179

2. Princeton - 141

3. Yale - 77

4. Penn - 60

5. Harvard - 55

6. Columbia - 49

7. Dartmouth - 45

8. Brown - 42

Case 1 - Women:

1. Cornell - 151

2. Columbia/Harvard - 98

4. Penn - 84

5. Princeton - 77

6. Brown - 75

7. Dartmouth - 66

8. Yale - 24

Case 2 - Men:

1. Princeton - 134

2. Cornell - 113

3. Yale - 63

4. Harvard - 48

5. Penn/Columbia - 47

7. Brown - 42

8. Dartmouth - 33

Case 2 - Women:

1. Cornell - 103

2. Columbia - 84

3. Harvard - 83

4. Brown - 74

5. Penn - 66

6. Princeton - 58

7. Dartmouth - 49

8. Yale - 8

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[quote]Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:

I know Harvard is taking this upcoming weekend off from competing. Do we know if there are any competitions this upcoming weekend for the Ivies?[quote]

Cornell is hosting its Outdoor Invite this weekend. The Big Red have typically used it as a tuneup meet. Maybe they'll make a couple of final decisions about Heps entries, based on performances there, but it seems like they almost always use it for handoff practice, under-distance running for some, and a week away from competition for others.

I don't know what Cornell's exam schedule looks like, but they might well have some people skip the Invite for that. Anyway, rain and temps in the 40s are forecast, I'm told, so I doubt that many leading marks would come from the meet.

Still no word about Maduka? If she's absent from the Heps, the women's scoring could be significantly affected...

I would be surprised if she does not compete at Heps. She could be sitting out right now to rest up and attempt to do the jumps at conference. But we won't know for another week and a half when the start lists are posted.

If I'm not mistaken, UPenn is finishing up its spring exams currently. The last time Penn hosted Heps in 2006, I remember seeing people move out of their dorms, and it was the first weekend in May. So I don't think Penn is doing anything in relation to track this weekend. Can probably go and check on their website, like for all of the other Ivy schools lol.

Thanks for the info on Cornell's meet this weekend. Looks like I'll be reviewing more meet results early next week. I am not trusting DA right now due to its usage of indoor times and not always having the most updated outdoor times on their top performance listings.

I noticed an error on my rank listing. This is the updated projected point totals. Is there a way to edit a previous post?

Case 1: all events (except mens 4x8) on DA:

Men:

1. Cornell - 186

2. Princeton - 130

3. Yale - 75

4. Penn - 72

5. Dartmouth - 57

6. Columbia - 50

7. Harvard - 46

8. Brown - 42

Women:

1. Cornell - 158.5

2. Columbia - 108

3. Princeton - 103

4. Harvard - 99.33

5. Penn - 82.83

6. Dartmouth - 73.33

7. Brown - 69

8. Yale - 21

Case 2: all events on DA except relays, multis, 10K, and 3K (women)

Men:

1. Cornell - 132

2. Princeton - 125

3. Yale - 61

4. Columbia - 49

5. Penn - 46

6. Brown - 42

7 (tie). Harvard and Dartmouth - 41

Women:

1. Cornell - 102.5

2. Columbia - 92

3. Harvard - 79.33

4. Brown - 68

5. Princeton - 66

6. Penn - 58.33

7. Dartmouth - 53.33

8. Yale - 9

Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:

Is there a way to edit a previous post?

I think the BrosJo will add that feature right after they start mandatory registration...

Too bad. A lot of grammar-Naziism would be nullified if people could correct their typos.