Mike Maag ran 13:41.17 5km at MtSAC today (5th best all-time All Ivy).
Mike Maag ran 13:41.17 5km at MtSAC today (5th best all-time All Ivy).
I found a meet result with the women's 3000 flat (PYP meet):
Unless someone has another meet result with the distance, I'd guess this would have to be your performance list for the event...
Nothing to do with this year's Heps, but did anyone notice the large list of incoming Columbia students--almost all women--listed on Dyestat?
http://www.dyestat.com//?pg=usCollege-Choices-Choices09-CollegeList
Given that female frosh often help right away, Columbia's women could be real contenders in coming years.
By contrast, Cornell seems to have listed only incoming men--but I've heard that in fact they're bringing in one of their top women's classes ever.
[I recognize that the Dyestat lists are not necessarily complete, and that somebody who's listed for one school may actually go elsewhere.]
Here's another meet with women's 3000:
http://www.pennathletics.com//ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=1700&CONTENT_ID=53731
Kind of a strange dual meet, held in Philadelphia, between a combined Penn-Cornell team and a team from Oxford-Cambridge. Apparently only partial squads, at least for Cornell: Penn had eight guys in the 800 and three in the 110H, Cornell none in either and no 4x100.
Roneker appears in the results, though. Also the Cornell women had *two* 4x4s go under 3:50--not sure I've ever seen that from an Ivy women's squad.
Here's today's PU results:
http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=3723087&DB_OEM_ID=10600
Phil. wrote:
Mike Maag ran 13:41.17 5km at MtSAC today (5th best all-time All Ivy).
Wow. Whoa. That puts him, what, like 30 seconds up on the second-fastest guy in the Ivies? He's pretty obviously the top distance runner in the League.
What do you do with him in the Heps? Do you go 5/10, with a great shot at 20 points, or 15/5, with at least the possibility that he'd be beaten in the shorter race? (I find it interesting that a similarly-dominant woman would probably be expected to triple--seen it many times. Why do so many coaches seem to think that women are tougher than men?)
In any case, this past weekend really gave the Princeton men a chance to show their stuff. They're showing a lot of strength in the field and on the track.
I may go ahead and compile a projected Heps score some time later this week, given that all the teams (I think) will be at the Penn Relays and there should be fewer modifications of the standings in most events. Current long-range forecast for Philadelphia suggests sunny days and moderate temps on Thursday/Friday/Saturday--I hope that holds up...
Results from the Harvard-Yale dual meet. Plenty of new top 10 performances within the conference... I don't know how much wind had a factor in these, but I'm glad it didn't rain or was too cold yesterday.
http://www.gocrimson.com/ViewContent.dbml?SPSID=93239&SPID=7392&DB_OEM_ID=9000&CONTENT_ID=53850
Thanks for the link. The Harvard women were really dominant and have the potential to score big points at Heps. With one more recruiting class the Cantabs may become unbeatable.
The Yale men won by about the same amount as the Harvard women did, but Harvard guys was close in a lot of events.
*Harvard guys WERE close...
The women's 3000m is run at outdoor ECACs (it was stated in a Harvard Crimson article of a girl exceeding the 3000m ECAC qualification time). Qualifying times are found here:
Does anyone know if ECACs runs a particular event (i.e. the 3000m) because a single athletic conference runs it? I know the Atlantic 10 conference runs the 500m while the Heps doesn't, and yet the last few years the event has been won by an Ivy Leaguer.
Crimson/Maroon Runner wrote:
The women's 3000m is run at outdoor ECACs (it was stated in a Harvard Crimson article of a girl exceeding the 3000m ECAC qualification time). Qualifying times are found here:
http://www.ecac.org/championships/ind/track-out/2008-09/2009_ECAC_Outdoor_Track_-_Field_Standards.pdf
Good catch--thanks.
Now I guess the question is, why isn't there a list for the flat 3000 at DirectAthletics?
Anyway, I see that there's been some pruning on the earlier portions of this thread. Probably just as well...
Another question: why is DirectAthletics keeping indoor times for the outdoor top performance listings? If anything, I'd want to get rid of the indoor listings before adding on the 3000m listing (IMHO).
I'd guess maybe the Heps allow indoor marks for seeding purposes (given the briefness of the outdoor season, especially the typical paucity of meets with decent weather in the Northeast)?
Why isn't this thread showing up?
Testing...testing...
Testing...testing...
So somehow this thread doesn't move to the front page when bumped, but a thread about evolution does?
BRF wrote:
I may go ahead and compile a projected Heps score some time later this week, given that all the teams (I think) will be at the Penn Relays and there should be fewer modifications of the standings in most events. Current long-range forecast for Philadelphia suggests sunny days and moderate temps on Thursday/Friday/Saturday--I hope that holds up...
I have an idea of how to deal with those indoor times listed under DirectAthletics:
- if an athlete has their best performance listed as coming from the indoor season, click on the athlete's name to see their season's bests to date. There is a table underneath each athlete that has each season (indoors and outdoors) and the list of each season's best in all of the events that they have competed in. Check the "Outdoor 2009" line (should be the first line of real times/distances/data) and use the times/distances/data there, and insert accordingly.
Also, I live outside of Philly, and the weathermen down here are saying Thursday through the weekend to be sunny. Thursday in the 60's. Friday in the 70's. Saturday and Sunday in the 80's. Gorgeous weekend for a track meet.
One final test-bump--if it doesn't work, I suggest starting a new thread.
Hey, looks like we're back! THANKS, WeJo/RoJo!
Sorry BRF, but I beat you to the punch. I did a prediction of the HEP scoring based on the top 20 as of 4/18/09. The reason for top 20 is that some people who had high indoor marks have not yet exceeded them for outdoors, so the rankings shifted around slight. I used the (10-8-6-4-2-1), with ties being the average between the respective points for placing. I calculated the scoring two ways: the first way was using all of the events listed on DA (except for men 4x8 and women 3K), and the second way by not including the relays, multis, 10K, and women 3K (for I feel these placements would not represent the true field at HEPS and in some cases, only two or three schools have actually competed in them).
Case 1 - Men:
1. Cornell - 179
2. Princeton - 141
3. Yale - 77
4. Penn - 60
5. Harvard - 55
6. Columbia - 49
7. Dartmouth - 45
8. Brown - 42
Case 1 - Women:
1. Cornell - 151
2. Columbia/Harvard - 98
4. Penn - 84
5. Princeton - 77
6. Brown - 75
7. Dartmouth - 66
8. Yale - 24
Case 2 - Men:
1. Princeton - 134
2. Cornell - 113
3. Yale - 63
4. Harvard - 48
5. Penn/Columbia - 47
7. Brown - 42
8. Dartmouth - 33
Case 2 - Women:
1. Cornell - 103
2. Columbia - 84
3. Harvard - 83
4. Brown - 74
5. Penn - 66
6. Princeton - 58
7. Dartmouth - 49
8. Yale - 8
I have to admit, Columbia Women surprised me. When I double checked the list, they have strong numbers in the 200m/400m (Sharay Hale), 1500m (Lessard, Drouin), 100mHH/400mIH (Kyra Caldwell), and Triple Jump (Elisse Douglas, Uzunma Udeh). However, this may change once Princeton starts letting their women run. No Costello in sight currently.
The men I'm no familiar with. I wish I could attach my spreadsheet to so how I did this, but I don't have a link or website to do such a thing. Sorry. But let me know if you have questions and I'll try to answer them.