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That's what I heard too. I heard the federal agents don't even have standing to indict Trump, who was not even aware of the alleged incidents with Stormi Daniel in the legal sense of the word.
Even if D Trump paid Stormy to bang...
Wouldn't the wacko left categorize her as a brave sex worker? lmao
Both sides should then conclude that capitalism prevails. He gets a nut, and she gets paid to go away.
Am I missing something?
Well for one thing banging hookers isn't something you can write off on your taxes. If it is a violation of campaign finance law is another question. Believe it or not being rich doesn't make you above law. And this whole thing is stupid. Plenty of rich guys know how to pay hush money without breaking the law. Trump just wanted to cheat on his taxes🤣
If he is innocent it is no big deal. He will be acquired of the crime. Only guilty people have anything to fear from the law...
NONE of this has to do with Donny Bone Spurs getting caught disappointing a porn actress then getting caught paying her off. All this his wife was getting used to being a new mom.
Great guy!
And for those of you Trump supporters who have daughters....How would you feel if your teenage daughter was changing clothes and this slovenly comb-over sportin' manatee barges in to take a look? Awesome guy!
Time to take your meds Flagpole
NOPE! Not me!
WEJO, DO AN IP CHECK, AND IF I LIE, BAN ME FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1) Will Trump be "arrested" on Tuesday? Since HE said that and he's a serial liar and no one else has said that, I say it is unlikely. Will be hilarious to see any pathetic attempts at group protest over his ultimate arrest though.
2) Hillary Clinton has done nothing to be in danger of being put in prison for. Shame on you, Rojo. I suppose you are allowed to be wrong, but dude, you're totally wrong here...not even a snowball's chance in hell that she has done something you are aware of that she needs to go to prison for...or ever will. Her server? That's been settled. Trump and his idiot children did the same thing (with phones, not a computer), and that's so far down the list of their criminal behavior that no one even talks about it.
3) Now, will Trump be "arrested?" Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean what the actual word means, then yes, Donald Trump is going to be arrested, and it will be by Bragg's office. He will be arrested and indicted, and most experts are saying this will happen within 2-4 weeks from now. Will he serve time in prison for what Bragg is going after him for? Likely not, BUT that's no guarantee. Trump could end up being charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony here, and we'll have to see how that all pans out. LOGIC says that he SHOULD go to prison because Michael Cohen did for the same crime that Trump is guilty of here...and of course Trump told Cohen to do it.
4) LIKELY Trump will NOT go to prison for this indictment coming out of Bragg's office. As many experts have noted, this is the least problematic for Trump in terms of potential jail time of all of the investigations into him at the moment. It is much more likely that he has to spend prison time (or house arrest) for his other crimes for which indictments will eventually be handed down.
5) On an ancillary note, Mike Pence is a fool, and he just once again made himself look like Trump's b!tch in his latest interview. To paraphrase him, "How can we indict a former President when there's all this crime in New York?" Um...because we have NEVER just gone after the most egregious crimes there are and ignored others until those were all solved. Um...because no one is above the law. What a p&ssy. Trump incited a mob to go find and hang Mike Pence, and Pence is still there licking Trump's ass. What a sniveling coward.
1) Will Trump be "arrested" on Tuesday? Since HE said that and he's a serial liar and no one else has said that, I say it is unlikely. Will be hilarious to see any pathetic attempts at group protest over his ultimate arrest though.
2) Hillary Clinton has done nothing to be in danger of being put in prison for. Shame on you, Rojo. I suppose you are allowed to be wrong, but dude, you're totally wrong here...not even a snowball's chance in hell that she has done something you are aware of that she needs to go to prison for...or ever will. Her server? That's been settled. Trump and his idiot children did the same thing (with phones, not a computer), and that's so far down the list of their criminal behavior that no one even talks about it.
3) Now, will Trump be "arrested?" Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean what the actual word means, then yes, Donald Trump is going to be arrested, and it will be by Bragg's office. He will be arrested and indicted, and most experts are saying this will happen within 2-4 weeks from now. Will he serve time in prison for what Bragg is going after him for? Likely not, BUT that's no guarantee. Trump could end up being charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony here, and we'll have to see how that all pans out. LOGIC says that he SHOULD go to prison because Michael Cohen did for the same crime that Trump is guilty of here...and of course Trump told Cohen to do it.
4) LIKELY Trump will NOT go to prison for this indictment coming out of Bragg's office. As many experts have noted, this is the least problematic for Trump in terms of potential jail time of all of the investigations into him at the moment. It is much more likely that he has to spend prison time (or house arrest) for his other crimes for which indictments will eventually be handed down.
5) On an ancillary note, Mike Pence is a fool, and he just once again made himself look like Trump's b!tch in his latest interview. To paraphrase him, "How can we indict a former President when there's all this crime in New York?" Um...because we have NEVER just gone after the most egregious crimes there are and ignored others until those were all solved. Um...because no one is above the law. What a p&ssy. Trump incited a mob to go find and hang Mike Pence, and Pence is still there licking Trump's ass. What a sniveling coward.
IMO. Trump will never do Prison time for any of his crimes. First, this country does not put its Presidents in prison. In fact, this country doesn't hold its Presidents accountable at all. That is why it is taking so long and Trump and he has been given so many chances to undue or make right some of his corruption so they don't have to charge him if at all possible. Normal citizens are not treated like Trump has been. So much self dealing and rule breaking has been overlooked because he was President. Nixon was pardoned and lived a good life as a free man. An argument could be made that if Nixon wasn't pardoned and paid a legal price there would have been no Trump presidency.
That being said, it is imperative that Trump be held publicly accountable even if it is just indictment without jail time or even conviction. The US claims to be a nation where laws are supreme and when the public and the world sees a US leader engage in so much overt corruption and self dealing and then give the middle finger to all and flaunt his corruption the nation suffers immense damage. Trump took a wrecking ball to the public trust of several US institutions and an indictment will help mend that a little bit. But they will never be the same after Trump. Other countries all over the world have no problem jailing their leaders. It sends a message that nobody is above the law. By not jailing our leaders it sends a different message and it is not a good one. But indictments are good. It shows the legal system has legs and then it is up to the citizens by means of Jurys to decide what is done with him as always.
it is pretty amusing that the right wing has chosen this as their position:
It is imperative that we all condemn this unjust political prosecution because the country is on in thin ice and we should be uniting instead of dividing the country.
Notice that no Republican is making any type of case for Trump's innocence whatsoever. Instead they are pretending that they are a party that somehow found a mission of uniting the country.
Does anyone, either pro or anti-Trump, doubt that his calls for nation-wide protests to take back the country due to "his totally unfair mistreatment by a weaponized legal system" reflects his hope for violence.
Nothing would make Trump happier than antigovernment rioting.
I've always thought it was embarrassing that the two people nominated for president in 2016 were Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton and joked it would be great to see both end up in prison.
Well Trump is saying he'll be arrested on Tuesday for paying Stormy Daniels to stay quiet about their affair. Now, while my disgust for Trump and Hilary stemmed from my belief that that the Presidency should be reserved for the best of the best and we have 300 million to choose from,and I was choosing these two would be at the bottomof the list, but I'm not a fan of this Trump arrest.
When electing people, we should hold the candidates to a very high standard. But we should not be prosecuting them for stuff they wouldn't be prosecuted for as normal citizens. That ends up turning the US into a kangaroo court wher the parties just jail the other side once they gain power.
The logic for calling Trump's payment to Stormy a felony election law crime is a stretch.
Reason Mag wrote:
It looks like Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, a Democrat, intends to pursue criminal charges against former President Donald Trump. But the charges he seems to have in mind, based on a 2016 hush payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, are so iffy that they reinforce Trump's reflexive complaint that he is, as always, the victim of a long-running Democratic "witch hunt." Daniels claims she had a sexual affair with Trump in 2006, when he was married to his current wife, former First Lady Melania Trump. Although Trump denies the affair, he arranged a $130,000 payment to Daniels in the fall of 2016 to keep her story out of the press. There is nothing inherently illegal about that payment. But Michael Cohen, the Trump lawyer who paid off Daniels and was reimbursed by Trump, pleaded guilty in 2018 to violating federal law by making an excessive campaign contribution. The theory underlying that charge was that Cohen "contributed" the hush money at Trump's behest for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election," as opposed to avoiding personal embarrassment for Trump or sparing Melania Trump's feelings. As former Federal Election Commission Chairman Bradley Smith noted at the time, that interpretation was open to question. "The best interpretation of the law is that it simply is not a campaign expense to pay blackmail for things that happened years before one's candidacy—and thus nothing Cohen (or, in this case, Trump, too) did is a campaign finance crime," Smith wrote in a 2018 Reason essay. "But at a minimum, it is unclear whether paying blackmail to a mistress is 'for the purpose of influencing an election,' and so must be paid with campaign funds, or a 'personal use,' and so prohibited from being paid with campaign funds."
If you are going to go out of your way to charge Trump, then certainly Hilary needs to be arrrested for her emails. The head of the FBI basicallys aid what she did was a crime, he just didn't think it was one that warranted prosecution as she didn't do it intentionally.
PS. I guess counter argument would be we need to hold our candidates to even higher standards? I guess that would be ok if we then applied that to everyone, not just the candidates we most dislike. So if you do Trump, you also need to do Hillary.
I think rojo knows that the actual (and likely proven) criminality and severity of deception by Trump is not remotely similar to Hillary. I mean Trump convinced and out raged at least a third of the country thinking that the election was stolen from them. That was pretty damaging (and effective for Trump's purposes) for the country. Hillary has nothing like that.
Rojo had to throw out a reference to Hillary to convince the other far right crazies that he was not going soft and was not ready to turn in his far right calling card. ........... "See I threw out a Hillary reference so I am still one of you guys"
Rojo had to throw out a reference to Hillary to convince the other far right crazies that he was not going soft and was not ready to turn in his far right calling card. ........... "See I threw out a Hillary reference so I am still one of you guys"
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it is pretty amusing that the right wing has chosen this as their position:
It is imperative that we all condemn this unjust political prosecution because the country is on in thin ice and we should be uniting instead of dividing the country.
Notice that no Republican is making any type of case for Trump's innocence whatsoever. Instead they are pretending that they are a party that somehow found a mission of uniting the country.
You can't make this up.
Equal application of the law.
So long as the left behaves like 3rd world trash you will never get the right to admit anything.
Bill Clinton is a literal rapist, sexual predator, who spent weeks on Epstein's plane and pedophile island. No problem!
Trump paid off a wh*re. Send him to prison!!
But it was about campaign finance law!!
The Clinton Foundation was a corrupt money laundering pay to play scheme that stole BILLIONS. The "charity" magically died when Clinton lost in 2016.
AOC committed campaign finance fraud.
She's the darling of the left. No biggie.
Ilhan Omar married her own brother to commit immigration fraud. She's a tax cheat AND she committed campaign finance fraud.
Meh, she's a Democrat no biggie.
The Biden's are literally a crime family and the media won't even mention it.
The liberals' complete inability to be self aware is baffling.
1) Will Trump be "arrested" on Tuesday? Since HE said that and he's a serial liar and no one else has said that, I say it is unlikely. Will be hilarious to see any pathetic attempts at group protest over his ultimate arrest though.
2) Hillary Clinton has done nothing to be in danger of being put in prison for. Shame on you, Rojo. I suppose you are allowed to be wrong, but dude, you're totally wrong here...not even a snowball's chance in hell that she has done something you are aware of that she needs to go to prison for...or ever will. Her server? That's been settled. Trump and his idiot children did the same thing (with phones, not a computer), and that's so far down the list of their criminal behavior that no one even talks about it.
3) Now, will Trump be "arrested?" Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean what the actual word means, then yes, Donald Trump is going to be arrested, and it will be by Bragg's office. He will be arrested and indicted, and most experts are saying this will happen within 2-4 weeks from now. Will he serve time in prison for what Bragg is going after him for? Likely not, BUT that's no guarantee. Trump could end up being charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony here, and we'll have to see how that all pans out. LOGIC says that he SHOULD go to prison because Michael Cohen did for the same crime that Trump is guilty of here...and of course Trump told Cohen to do it.
4) LIKELY Trump will NOT go to prison for this indictment coming out of Bragg's office. As many experts have noted, this is the least problematic for Trump in terms of potential jail time of all of the investigations into him at the moment. It is much more likely that he has to spend prison time (or house arrest) for his other crimes for which indictments will eventually be handed down.
5) On an ancillary note, Mike Pence is a fool, and he just once again made himself look like Trump's b!tch in his latest interview. To paraphrase him, "How can we indict a former President when there's all this crime in New York?" Um...because we have NEVER just gone after the most egregious crimes there are and ignored others until those were all solved. Um...because no one is above the law. What a p&ssy. Trump incited a mob to go find and hang Mike Pence, and Pence is still there licking Trump's ass. What a sniveling coward.
Hillary Clinton used a private e-mail server to conduct business as the Secretary of State.
The Federal Records Act states that all these e-mails should have been preserved and turned over to the archivist.
Hillary refused and when the e-mails were subpoenaed she destroyed 33,000 of them rather then turn them over.
James Comey the head of the FBI testified before congress that Clinton had classified material on her private server.
The left wants Trump jailed for classified material stored in a locked room in a compound with secret service protection. What Trump did would still be less egregious than what Hillary did even if he destroyed all of the documents as soon as the story broke. (Like Hillary did).
The left would have no standards if it didn't have double standards.
I've always thought it was embarrassing that the two people nominated for president in 2016 were Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton and joked it would be great to see both end up in prison.
Well Trump is saying he'll be arrested on Tuesday for paying Stormy Daniels to stay quiet about their affair. Now, while my disgust for Trump and Hilary stemmed from my belief that that the Presidency should be reserved for the best of the best and we have 300 million to choose from,and I was choosing these two would be at the bottomof the list, but I'm not a fan of this Trump arrest.
When electing people, we should hold the candidates to a very high standard. But we should not be prosecuting them for stuff they wouldn't be prosecuted for as normal citizens. That ends up turning the US into a kangaroo court wher the parties just jail the other side once they gain power.
The logic for calling Trump's payment to Stormy a felony election law crime is a stretch.
Reason Mag wrote:
It looks like Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, a Democrat, intends to pursue criminal charges against former President Donald Trump. But the charges he seems to have in mind, based on a 2016 hush payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, are so iffy that they reinforce Trump's reflexive complaint that he is, as always, the victim of a long-running Democratic "witch hunt." Daniels claims she had a sexual affair with Trump in 2006, when he was married to his current wife, former First Lady Melania Trump. Although Trump denies the affair, he arranged a $130,000 payment to Daniels in the fall of 2016 to keep her story out of the press. There is nothing inherently illegal about that payment. But Michael Cohen, the Trump lawyer who paid off Daniels and was reimbursed by Trump, pleaded guilty in 2018 to violating federal law by making an excessive campaign contribution. The theory underlying that charge was that Cohen "contributed" the hush money at Trump's behest for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election," as opposed to avoiding personal embarrassment for Trump or sparing Melania Trump's feelings. As former Federal Election Commission Chairman Bradley Smith noted at the time, that interpretation was open to question. "The best interpretation of the law is that it simply is not a campaign expense to pay blackmail for things that happened years before one's candidacy—and thus nothing Cohen (or, in this case, Trump, too) did is a campaign finance crime," Smith wrote in a 2018 Reason essay. "But at a minimum, it is unclear whether paying blackmail to a mistress is 'for the purpose of influencing an election,' and so must be paid with campaign funds, or a 'personal use,' and so prohibited from being paid with campaign funds."
If you are going to go out of your way to charge Trump, then certainly Hilary needs to be arrrested for her emails. The head of the FBI basicallys aid what she did was a crime, he just didn't think it was one that warranted prosecution as she didn't do it intentionally.
PS. I guess counter argument would be we need to hold our candidates to even higher standards? I guess that would be ok if we then applied that to everyone, not just the candidates we most dislike. So if you do Trump, you also need to do Hillary.
George Carlin said - You know how stupid the average person is. Consider that half the people are even more stupid than that.
The fact that ANYONE still supports Trump proves Carlin right.
He was murdered because he was sold out by the predecessors to modern day liberals.
Exactly. Im not trying to compare Trump to Jesus but its pretty clear that many of the people in this thread would have been at the crucifixion saying "well he DID break campaign finance rules."
Comparing Trump to Jesus is exactly what you're doing. It is as utterly misplaced as an analogy as I've seen.
I've always thought it was embarrassing that the two people nominated for president in 2016 were Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton and joked it would be great to see both end up in prison.
Well Trump is saying he'll be arrested on Tuesday for paying Stormy Daniels to stay quiet about their affair. Now, while my disgust for Trump and Hilary stemmed from my belief that that the Presidency should be reserved for the best of the best and we have 300 million to choose from,and I was choosing these two would be at the bottomof the list, but I'm not a fan of this Trump arrest.
When electing people, we should hold the candidates to a very high standard. But we should not be prosecuting them for stuff they wouldn't be prosecuted for as normal citizens. That ends up turning the US into a kangaroo court wher the parties just jail the other side once they gain power.
The logic for calling Trump's payment to Stormy a felony election law crime is a stretch.
If you are going to go out of your way to charge Trump, then certainly Hilary needs to be arrrested for her emails. The head of the FBI basicallys aid what she did was a crime, he just didn't think it was one that warranted prosecution as she didn't do it intentionally.
PS. I guess counter argument would be we need to hold our candidates to even higher standards? I guess that would be ok if we then applied that to everyone, not just the candidates we most dislike. So if you do Trump, you also need to do Hillary.
George Carlin said - You know how stupid the average person is. Consider that half the people are even more stupid than that.
The fact that ANYONE still supports Trump proves Carlin right.
1) Will Trump be "arrested" on Tuesday? Since HE said that and he's a serial liar and no one else has said that, I say it is unlikely. Will be hilarious to see any pathetic attempts at group protest over his ultimate arrest though.
2) Hillary Clinton has done nothing to be in danger of being put in prison for. Shame on you, Rojo. I suppose you are allowed to be wrong, but dude, you're totally wrong here...not even a snowball's chance in hell that she has done something you are aware of that she needs to go to prison for...or ever will. Her server? That's been settled. Trump and his idiot children did the same thing (with phones, not a computer), and that's so far down the list of their criminal behavior that no one even talks about it.
3) Now, will Trump be "arrested?" Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean what the actual word means, then yes, Donald Trump is going to be arrested, and it will be by Bragg's office. He will be arrested and indicted, and most experts are saying this will happen within 2-4 weeks from now. Will he serve time in prison for what Bragg is going after him for? Likely not, BUT that's no guarantee. Trump could end up being charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony here, and we'll have to see how that all pans out. LOGIC says that he SHOULD go to prison because Michael Cohen did for the same crime that Trump is guilty of here...and of course Trump told Cohen to do it.
4) LIKELY Trump will NOT go to prison for this indictment coming out of Bragg's office. As many experts have noted, this is the least problematic for Trump in terms of potential jail time of all of the investigations into him at the moment. It is much more likely that he has to spend prison time (or house arrest) for his other crimes for which indictments will eventually be handed down.
5) On an ancillary note, Mike Pence is a fool, and he just once again made himself look like Trump's b!tch in his latest interview. To paraphrase him, "How can we indict a former President when there's all this crime in New York?" Um...because we have NEVER just gone after the most egregious crimes there are and ignored others until those were all solved. Um...because no one is above the law. What a p&ssy. Trump incited a mob to go find and hang Mike Pence, and Pence is still there licking Trump's ass. What a sniveling coward.
IMO. Trump will never do Prison time for any of his crimes. First, this country does not put its Presidents in prison. In fact, this country doesn't hold its Presidents accountable at all. That is why it is taking so long and Trump and he has been given so many chances to undue or make right some of his corruption so they don't have to charge him if at all possible. Normal citizens are not treated like Trump has been. So much self dealing and rule breaking has been overlooked because he was President. Nixon was pardoned and lived a good life as a free man. An argument could be made that if Nixon wasn't pardoned and paid a legal price there would have been no Trump presidency.
That being said, it is imperative that Trump be held publicly accountable even if it is just indictment without jail time or even conviction. The US claims to be a nation where laws are supreme and when the public and the world sees a US leader engage in so much overt corruption and self dealing and then give the middle finger to all and flaunt his corruption the nation suffers immense damage. Trump took a wrecking ball to the public trust of several US institutions and an indictment will help mend that a little bit. But they will never be the same after Trump. Other countries all over the world have no problem jailing their leaders. It sends a message that nobody is above the law. By not jailing our leaders it sends a different message and it is not a good one. But indictments are good. It shows the legal system has legs and then it is up to the citizens by means of Jurys to decide what is done with him as always.
1) I'll start off by saying you MIGHT be right that Trump will never go to prison. I would count "home confinement" the same as prison for him...obviously better, but it would still be confinement as punishment based on his behavior (and some sort of home confinement might be chosen for him just due to the fact he's a former President). And, you MIGHT be right that he won't face any time like that. I think he WILL face prison time or home confinement though.
2) I think it is hard for you to imagine it for two reasons: 1) No US President has been indicted for anything, and 2) Trump seems to largely get away with everything. I suggest to you though that those are not reasons to assume he won't be held accountable with prison or some sort of confinement.
3) We have not put any current or former Presidents in prison, because for the first 44 of them, none of them were the absolute out-of-control criminal that Trump is. Nixon SHOULD have gone to prison, but as we all know, Ford gave him a blanket pardon. Looking back at what Nixon did, while certainly criminal and corrupt, that pales in comparison to what Trump has done both in and out of office.
4) I take it a step further than you do...Trump must be indicted and found guilty of more than one thing, AND he must be confined to prison or his home for there to be any real justice. If he's indicted and found guilty (of the crimes other than the Stormy Daniels case) and then DOESN'T get prison or home confinement, then our justice system is perhaps forever destroyed. Even with the Stormy Daniels case, he SHOULD have to go to prison for that too...Michael Cohen did, and Trump was a co-conspirator. He should not be given special treatment. He should get the same or MORE time for that crime that Cohen got.
5) Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. He's a dangerous man and he needs to be imprisoned...and not just because I don't like him (which I don't)...he needs to be imprisoned because he's a criminal and committed egregious crimes...and I think he will be.
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