New HEPS thread for 2009

Limited number of Ivy outdoor marks so far, but there are still six weeks until Heps. Should be enough time to get a fairly good idea of the top performers.

Cornell's marks (partial squad) came from two California meets. Actually, almost all of the posted marks have come from warm-weather (i.e. Spring-Break) venues.

The DirectAthletics list is only partially updated for this weekend's action--seems to include marks from the Penn meet, but not from Princeton yet.

That Princeton meet's results will shake up some of the events significantly e.g. 9:00(Col), 9:02(Pr), 9:15(Pr)SC; nice win for Maag in 3:46; etc., etc.

http://www.gonyuathletics.com/documents/2009/4/4/Results%20%20Sam%20Howell%20Friday%202009.htm?id=226

It was a very windy couple of days in NYC; what were the conditions like at these two "southern" meets?

BRF wrote:

The DirectAthletics list is only partially updated for this weekend's action--seems to include marks from the Penn meet, but not from Princeton yet.

That Princeton meet's results will shake up some of the events significantly e.g. 9:00(Col), 9:02(Pr), 9:15(Pr)SC; nice win for Maag in 3:46; etc., etc.

http://www.gonyuathletics.com/documents/2009/4/4/Results%20%20Sam%20Howell%20Friday%202009.htm?id=226

It was a very windy couple of days in NYC; what were the conditions like at these two "southern" meets?

The friday night distance events were not particularly windy, a short, sharp rain squall came through while the women's 1500 was in progress otherwise ok, a bit cold for the spectators by the time of the women's 10k

Saturday was very windy, ~15mph with gusts up to 28mph, inconsistent dirction too. The pole vaults and women's HJ were competed indoors because of the wind. Early there was a strong head wind on the finishing straight but later it switched. In the straight sprints the wind gauge read ~1m/s in both directions, the wind was mainly across the track.

Okay, looks like most/all Sam Howell marks have been added:

http://www.directathletics.com/lists/track/55_454.html

Is Wyner's injury going to keep him out of the outdoor season?

Cornell competed at the Sea Ray Relays (Tennessee) and at Bucknell this weekend. Weather was a factor, as at other Eastern meets.

Results of the Sea Ray Relays are at:

http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-track/searay/09/

Bucknell results are at:

http://www.bucknellbison.com/sports/m-track/stats/2008-2009/fullbisonopenresults.html

The Big Red distance guys had a good group run at Bucknell, with seven (not including their #1, Hine) averaging ~30:40 in the 10,000.

Also, apparently Wyner *has* returned to competition for Cornell. What about Roneker?

In the next week or so I may have another go at "projecting" scores from the DirectAthletics lists. Before I do, can someone knowledgeable confirm the scoring events?

The men have the "standard" championship track-meet events, plus decathlon, correct? And the women have all those (substituting 100H for 110H and hept for dec), PLUS they have a flat 3000 and a 4x8, ending up with two more total events than the men--is that right? (I guess it just seems strange to me that the women would end up with more events...)

I don't know about events in that meet, but the performance list doesn't have the women's 3000 listed at all, and it does have a men's 4 x 800 list...

The official schedule is up at the Hepstrack.com website. This should help you with the scoring events.

http://hepstrack.com/current-information/outdoor-heps-schedule/

It also has directions to Franklin Field if anyone needs them.

Also, I check out directathletics.com frequently, and I noticed that for the 200m, mile, 3000m, 5000m, and some of the other running events that are also in inddors, that they are posting indoor results in the top 10 listing. I don't think this was done in years past, so be careful of when you do the scoring that you're not pulling in results from indoor Heps or other indoor meets.

Should be some really good action down at Princeton on Friday night.

Did anyone else hear rumors about a potential 4x800? I thought I heard something about the games committee approving it.

A men's 4x800 is not listed for HEPS on the schedule. I think that if it was approved, they would have included it in the overall schedule of events.

kanye wrote:

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46878&SPID=4268&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=3720975

Should be some really good action down at Princeton on Friday night.

Wow! Yeah, there are some heavy hitters in those (large) fields. I saw a forecast for Princeton of temperature around 60 degrees and light winds, so it sounds like the conditions will be excellent. I'd be surprised if any race turned out to be sit-and-kick--I'm sure people will be going for fast times.

Also, I took a look at the Ivy meet schedule (thanks for link) and it does looks like the women have got a flat 3000. If anybody's going to "score" the meet in advance, he'll have to be alert to that--there's no 3000m performance list at DA. Are there any other outdoor meets that even *have* a 3000 for women? How are they supposed to seed the race, if there are two sections--use indoor times?

And the earlier poster is right--the DA listing includes some indoor performances. That does seem a little strange, and if you're going to pre-score the meet those should probably be taken out.

All in all it looks like nobody should try to dope out the meet for another week or two. This weekend looks like it could be good weather in most places, so waiting for those meets' marks seems smart...

The womens 3000m has been run for the last few years at least for outdoors. The meet record in the outdoor 3K was set in 2004 by Cack Ferrell (9:27 and change).

But it is interesting: the USTFCCA Division 1 rankings do not show flat 3000m for outdoors. I guess another reason why the Ivy League/HEPS are unique (outside of the name Heptagonals and lack of athletic scholarships)? lol

Does anyone know how hard Maag, Leung, and Cabral were going in that 10K? They all finished within a second of each other...

no wrote:

Does anyone know how hard Maag, Leung, and Cabral were going in that 10K? They all finished within a second of each other...

Well, they swept the top places:

I find it hard to believe that that represented an all-out effort for any of them. I'd imagine they were just crusing through at the end of a big training week and that Maag picked it up a little in the last few meters, just to make sure the frosh understood their place...

I could be wrong about all of this, but it's pretty easy for me to believe that any of those guys could go sub-30 without a problem.

*cruising

It doesn't look like they had much of a race really, based on all of the grouping that was going on.

The annual Harvard-Yale dual meet is on Saturday (4/18), while Cornell and UPenn unite for the Oxford/Cambridge track series. Did Princeton and Columbia already do their O-C meet, or is that next week? I know last week was H-Y/O-C.

BRF wrote:

In the next week or so I may have another go at "projecting" scores from the DirectAthletics lists.

Thanks to all for your posts. I'll take the hint(s) and hold off on projecting any scores for another week or two.

Based on *nothing* except running my eye quickly down the performance lists, I don't see any really dominant team in men's individual track events. (Note: I don't pay much attention to the 10,000 lists for men or women, because probably a majority of those who'll run it at Heps won't run one in an earlier meet. Ditto for multis.) Cornell seems to be doing well with the relays, and Princeton and Cornell are well represented in the field events. (Still no Roneker?)

Similarly, various teams on the women's side have good scoring potential in the open races, while Cornell looks strong in the relays. The Big Red women don't seem to have the depth in the field events that they've had in the past; Dartmouth and Brown could score big points in the throws.

Good luck to all this weekend. I see that most of the Northeast will get rain next week, but it looks like good conditions today and tomorrow...