Russia has already achieved their objectives. The only thing left is for Ukraine to decide how many more thousands of Ukrainians need to die to change NOTHING.
Weird that Russia has been taking disproportionate losses in offensive operations around Avdiivka for months when they've "already achieved their objectives".
Why isn't Putin publicly pushing for an armistice?
They don't have 100% of the Donbas yet but it's inevitable.
Russia has the upper hand and already has almost everything they want. Why would they sue for peace when they're winning?
Putin has said a few times that's open to peace talks. The west doesn't want peace talks because there's still money to be made. Zelensky doesn't want peace talks because once the war is over he's out on his @ss for handling the war so poorly.
Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
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Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
Demonstrating that NATO is incapable of producing enough ammunition to support an actual war is hardly making NATO stronger.
Russia being closer to China is a disaster not a point of pride. China is the actual enemy.
Former Soviet Nations already pulled away from Russia when the wall came down. This isn't a new development.
Kiev "stands" because Russia isn't shooting at it.
Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
Ukraine did not stop Russia. You sound exactly like the woke NYT columnists who have admitted that the Ukraine will surrender territory to Russia to achieve peace.
Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
Demonstrating that NATO is incapable of producing enough ammunition to support an actual war is hardly making NATO stronger.
Russia being closer to China is a disaster not a point of pride. China is the actual enemy.
Former Soviet Nations already pulled away from Russia when the wall came down. This isn't a new development.
Kiev "stands" because Russia isn't shooting at it.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
you go ask RU leadership how they feel about Kazakhstan, Georgia and Moldova suddenly turning away from Moscow after the invasion.
China is not the enemy. China has next to zero history of invading neighbors. RU has invaded neighbors and gotten right wing morans like Trump elected across the West for generations. oh yeah and RU has invaded multiple nations.
Kiev is taking missiles almost every day. Ru sent a massive column to defeat it. That didn't work out. Kiev stands because Kiev fought for it.
Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
Ukraine did not stop Russia. You sound exactly like the woke NYT columnists who have admitted that the Ukraine will surrender territory to Russia to achieve peace.
Demonstrating that NATO is incapable of producing enough ammunition to support an actual war is hardly making NATO stronger.
Russia being closer to China is a disaster not a point of pride. China is the actual enemy.
Former Soviet Nations already pulled away from Russia when the wall came down. This isn't a new development.
Kiev "stands" because Russia isn't shooting at it.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
you go ask RU leadership how they feel about Kazakhstan, Georgia and Moldova suddenly turning away from Moscow after the invasion.
China is not the enemy. China has next to zero history of invading neighbors. RU has invaded neighbors and gotten right wing morans like Trump elected across the West for generations. oh yeah and RU has invaded multiple nations.
Kiev is taking missiles almost every day. Ru sent a massive column to defeat it. That didn't work out. Kiev stands because Kiev fought for it.
Russia showed up on parade in February 2022 thinking Ukraine wouldn't be dumb enough to fight a war it had no hope of winning.
Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine Zelensky's ego is bigger than his brain so now here we are 200,000+ dead later and Ukraine still has no hope of winning the war.
China is 100% the world's greatest geopolitical threat whether you realize it or not.
China has been stealing islands in the Pacific for decades now and is going to invade Taiwan eventually.
you go ask RU leadership how they feel about Kazakhstan, Georgia and Moldova suddenly turning away from Moscow after the invasion.
China is not the enemy. China has next to zero history of invading neighbors. RU has invaded neighbors and gotten right wing morans like Trump elected across the West for generations. oh yeah and RU has invaded multiple nations.
Kiev is taking missiles almost every day. Ru sent a massive column to defeat it. That didn't work out. Kiev stands because Kiev fought for it.
Russia showed up on parade in February 2022 thinking Ukraine wouldn't be dumb enough to fight a war it had no hope of winning.
Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine Zelensky's ego is bigger than his brain so now here we are 200,000+ dead later and Ukraine still has no hope of winning the war.
you keep saying Ukraine has no hope of winning the war but Kiev stands.
RU can't advance and has, for example, lost its Black Sea dominance.
Ukraine held its nation in the face of a much, much larger, extremely cruel and war criming (and nuclear) nation. That's a massive win. Yes, at a high cost. But Ukraine is still owned by Ukrainians, not by Russians.
Kiev stands.
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Russia showed up on parade in February 2022 thinking Ukraine wouldn't be dumb enough to fight a war it had no hope of winning.
Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine Zelensky's ego is bigger than his brain so now here we are 200,000+ dead later and Ukraine still has no hope of winning the war.
you keep saying Ukraine has no hope of winning the war but Kiev stands.
RU can't advance and has, for example, lost its Black Sea dominance.
Ukraine held its nation in the face of a much, much larger, extremely cruel and war criming (and nuclear) nation. That's a massive win. Yes, at a high cost. But Ukraine is still owned by Ukrainians, not by Russians.
Kiev stands.
Russia doesn't need Kiev to win the war you schmuck.
Wars end when one side admits it can't win and asks for peace.
The parts of Ukraine Russia is interested in controlling are owned by Russians own with a few exceptions which will be rectified with Ukrainian blood or Ukrainian ink on a peace deal that cedes them in a treaty.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
you keep saying Ukraine has no hope of winning the war but Kiev stands.
RU can't advance and has, for example, lost its Black Sea dominance.
Ukraine held its nation in the face of a much, much larger, extremely cruel and war criming (and nuclear) nation. That's a massive win. Yes, at a high cost. But Ukraine is still owned by Ukrainians, not by Russians.
Kiev stands.
Russia doesn't need Kiev to win the war you schmuck.
Wars end when one side admits it can't win and asks for peace.
The parts of Ukraine Russia is interested in controlling are owned by Russians own with a few exceptions which will be rectified with Ukrainian blood or Ukrainian ink on a peace deal that cedes them in a treaty.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You can pretend that Russia didn’t try to take over the entire nation of Ukraine and fail to do so because UKR pushed them back…but anyone who can read knows you are full of it.
Russia doesn't need Kiev to win the war you schmuck.
Wars end when one side admits it can't win and asks for peace.
The parts of Ukraine Russia is interested in controlling are owned by Russians own with a few exceptions which will be rectified with Ukrainian blood or Ukrainian ink on a peace deal that cedes them in a treaty.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You can pretend that Russia didn’t try to take over the entire nation of Ukraine and fail to do so because UKR pushed them back…but anyone who can read knows you are full of it.
The plan was to show up with an overwhelming amount of force and drive into the capital on day 1 so Ukraine would give up without a fight.
The west told Ukraine it would help and to fight. So Ukraine is fighting.
The west has lost interest in helping and now Ukraine is F*CKED.
Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
Just shows how people only want to see one side of the medal. The other side looks like this:
NATO has actually become weaker, as it gave up a significant amount of it's arms to Ukraine.
Russia and the world leader China just got closer while the EU is falling back and becoming poorer. Check out the dying German automotive industry, Germans once were so proud of.
Most former Soviet Nations were never close to Moscow to begin with and sold out to the West as soon as they could.
Ukraine will lose ALL of its vital infrastructure to the West if ever enters the EU. Happend to Lithuania as well, just look up the "Mazeikiu Nafta" deal. No such thing as free lunch.
Ukraine with all the help of the West could not stop Russia and will have to ceed land and sign a Non-Nato agreement. Just like all the sane people knew before the war. Now after losing 300.000 Ukrainian lives, you are starting to understand it too.
Putin's war of choice has made NATO much stronger and larger and given NATO a real reason to exist.
Putin's war will cause W Europe to arm up.
Putin's war has caused W Europe to find energy elsewhere, without too much trouble. Now Russia will be owned by China for a generation.
Former Soviet nations are pulling away from Moscow in reaction to RU's naked warring.
Meanwhile on the ground, Kyiv stands, RU has lost an enormous amount of arms and men and gained nothing important. Ukraine is moving toward EU and maybe even NATO membership.
Seems pretty obvious that things will freeze up where they are now. Tiny Ukraine stopping goliath immoral Russia has to be considered one of the great military wins of modern times.
Just shows how people only want to see one side of the medal. The other side looks like this:
NATO has actually become weaker, as it gave up a significant amount of it's arms to Ukraine.
Russia and the world leader China just got closer while the EU is falling back and becoming poorer. Check out the dying German automotive industry, Germans once were so proud of.
Most former Soviet Nations were never close to Moscow to begin with and sold out to the West as soon as they could.
Ukraine will lose ALL of its vital infrastructure to the West if ever enters the EU. Happend to Lithuania as well, just look up the "Mazeikiu Nafta" deal. No such thing as free lunch.
Ukraine with all the help of the West could not stop Russia and will have to ceed land and sign a Non-Nato agreement. Just like all the sane people knew before the war. Now after losing 300.000 Ukrainian lives, you are starting to understand it too.
your argument is that the wealthiest and most powerful nations on Earth have just spent their last dollar and given their last arms to Ukraine so it's game over.
Oh please. The West is multiples wealthier than RU and can rebuild arsenals. You sound just like every tyrant who has called the West decadent and unwilling to fight. Just before being pulverized by the combination of democracy and capitalism.
Meanwhile, the RU armed forces can't advance against a far smaller nation that has no navy or air force, practically speaking. Think about that for a few minutes and how RU would do against a nation with both those things. Then ask yourself if UKR or RU is 'winning.'
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Just shows how people only want to see one side of the medal. The other side looks like this:
NATO has actually become weaker, as it gave up a significant amount of it's arms to Ukraine.
Russia and the world leader China just got closer while the EU is falling back and becoming poorer. Check out the dying German automotive industry, Germans once were so proud of.
Most former Soviet Nations were never close to Moscow to begin with and sold out to the West as soon as they could.
Ukraine will lose ALL of its vital infrastructure to the West if ever enters the EU. Happend to Lithuania as well, just look up the "Mazeikiu Nafta" deal. No such thing as free lunch.
Ukraine with all the help of the West could not stop Russia and will have to ceed land and sign a Non-Nato agreement. Just like all the sane people knew before the war. Now after losing 300.000 Ukrainian lives, you are starting to understand it too.
your argument is that the wealthiest and most powerful nations on Earth have just spent their last dollar and given their last arms to Ukraine so it's game over.
Oh please. The West is multiples wealthier than RU and can rebuild arsenals. You sound just like every tyrant who has called the West decadent and unwilling to fight. Just before being pulverized by the combination of democracy and capitalism.
The US is $34 trillion in debt with no significant military manufacturing capacity and Europe is on the brink of demographic collapse.
You can pretend that Russia didn’t try to take over the entire nation of Ukraine and fail to do so because UKR pushed them back…but anyone who can read knows you are full of it.
The plan was to show up with an overwhelming amount of force and drive into the capital on day 1 so Ukraine would give up without a fight.
The west told Ukraine it would help and to fight. So Ukraine is fighting.
The west has lost interest in helping and now Ukraine is F*CKED.
Anyone who can read knows this.
ok so what you are saying is that RU has been losing badly so far because UKR has kicked its tushie far, far away from Kyiv. And Kyiv was RU's main goal.
your argument is that the wealthiest and most powerful nations on Earth have just spent their last dollar and given their last arms to Ukraine so it's game over.
Oh please. The West is multiples wealthier than RU and can rebuild arsenals. You sound just like every tyrant who has called the West decadent and unwilling to fight. Just before being pulverized by the combination of democracy and capitalism.
The US is $34 trillion in debt with no significant military manufacturing capacity and Europe is on the brink of demographic collapse.
The west is in terrible shape right now.
The US has something like three of the world's four largest air forces.
The US spends more on arms than the next ten nations combined.
Just shows how people only want to see one side of the medal. The other side looks like this:
NATO has actually become weaker, as it gave up a significant amount of it's arms to Ukraine.
Russia and the world leader China just got closer while the EU is falling back and becoming poorer. Check out the dying German automotive industry, Germans once were so proud of.
Most former Soviet Nations were never close to Moscow to begin with and sold out to the West as soon as they could.
Ukraine will lose ALL of its vital infrastructure to the West if ever enters the EU. Happend to Lithuania as well, just look up the "Mazeikiu Nafta" deal. No such thing as free lunch.
Ukraine with all the help of the West could not stop Russia and will have to ceed land and sign a Non-Nato agreement. Just like all the sane people knew before the war. Now after losing 300.000 Ukrainian lives, you are starting to understand it too.
your argument is that the wealthiest and most powerful nations on Earth have just spent their last dollar and given their last arms to Ukraine so it's game over.
Oh please. The West is multiples wealthier than RU and can rebuild arsenals. You sound just like every tyrant who has called the West decadent and unwilling to fight. Just before being pulverized by the combination of democracy and capitalism.
Meanwhile, the RU armed forces can't advance against a far smaller nation that has no navy or air force, practically speaking. Think about that for a few minutes and how RU would do against a nation with both those things. Then ask yourself if UKR or RU is 'winning.'
It's also worth pointing out that the US is so divided right now the Democrats would side with Russia if a war broke out when there was a Republican president.
Western nations are also extremely casualty averse. The west will not fight unless it absolutely has to and it doesn't give a sh*t about Ukraine so it will not be fighting.
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