Heps Track 2010

Callahan did very well idoors, but taking down a "slew" of sub 1:50 guys might be a bit of an overstatement. Mid-D races indoors tend to get a bit watered down.

Wade, Hill, Fulton (in the 800 final)

Oliver, Moriarty (beat from behind in the 4 by 8)

Callahan has run one bad race all year -- the Heps prelim outdoors. It happened to be at a bad time, but he comes back the next day and runs 1:50.5 -- I'd bet amongst fastest splits in the field of the 4x8. That's why he's a champ.

wuts wrote:

Dolan is KILLING Princeton - how do Dinkins, Callahan, Palmasano,Mathabane and all their other super frosh fail to even make the finals.

Greatest waster of talent - Princeton men and Harvard women. Not even close.

Yeah, Dolan is awful.[/sarcasm]

Only one freshman made the 800/1500 finals at Heps and he wasn't from Princeton, so that's a failure?

Wade barely made the podium, so the Cornell coaches must be awful. The top frosh at Dartmouth and Yale and Brown didn't advance, the top frosh at Harvard and Penn didn't run, and the big frosh 800 guy at Columbia didn't compete outdoors, so by your logic, there are 8 horrible distance coaches in the HEPS.

The Tigers have 8 guys with 13 spots in the 800/1500/5k/10k/steeple on the NCAA Div 1 East POP lists. Obviously a horrible coaching performance.

Back to reality...

7 Heps guys on the 800 list - pretty good

Check that - 8 Heps guys on the 800 list.

Ancient Ivy wrote:

Check that - 8 Heps guys on the 800 list.

Within top 48?

ariel wright of brown ran the majority of the 3k with only 1 shoe. Still managed to get 4th and thats after winning the 5k a few hours earlier. photos on hepstrack

C/M Runner wrote:

Ancient Ivy wrote:

Check that - 8 Heps guys on the 800 list.

Within top 48?

Six in the top 48 - all 8 at or below the old time standard of 1:51.50

And by 1:51.50 I mean 1:50.50

Wright ran a great tactical race in the 5k and showed her toughness in the 3k. Impressive also was Pischel coming back after the 10k to get 4th in the 5k and beat Cummings. Brown really showed up ready to go this weekend.

Anyone know why Hale opted out of the 400?

Dolon is the least of the Ivies concern. Given the results there is a lot of yuck to go around...

The good:

1 - Cornell - Clearly the Cornell staff does a great job. These are good teams and a very good program. They scored in every event area. Distances were clearly their greatest weakness.

2 - Princeton - I too was expecting more, especially on the women's end. Decent balance on both ends. Clearly not going to move backwards within the conference.

3 - Brown - Unless she is a disaster in the office, they should take the interim tag off of Eisenrich. She took over a mess left by Lake and produced two very good finishes - particularly on the women's end. Not great balance and quite a few points leaving, but wow, great job.

4 - Columbia Women - A good team, but it's tough to do much with only 2 points in the throws. Should be better in the future.

The mediocre:

5 - Penn - Scored in most event areas, just not much firepower. LIkely not enough to get past third in the near future.

The ugly:

6 - Yale - Not deep, not good. Considering where they could be, they are just bad. Will they keep the staff when Mark Young retires?

7 - Harvard - Somewhere Frank Haggerty is laughing. Not much for Saretsky to hang his hat on after 4 years. Lucky for him, it's Harvard, and no one cares.

8 - Dartmouth - They have got themselves a very good DIII program.

9 - Columbia Men - I think Willy Wood is a great coach, but it is Track AND Field.

Any word on why Princeton's Hollimon didn't run in any finals?

looking at just distance results (800-10k including steeple and 4x8) brown women scored 20 more points than last year (38 compared to alst years 18) this with just a few months of the new coaching staff shows a good sign for things to come in cross. Also, looks like harvard distance only scored 1 point? yikes... what happened to harvard?

Austin Hollimon pulled his quad sometime after the 4x1 (possibly during it but he finished his leg and the team ended up 3rd), which is why he did not run in any finals or the 4x4 relay. I heard someone say that without Hollimon running, it resulted in a 20-point swing against Princeton.

Sanjay: there are people who care about the Harvard teams, as I am one of them.

The men did miss a few points by not having Dan Chenoweth or Chas Gillespie run the 5K, as they both probably would have scored like they did last year, or put in a 4x8 team (considering how they have some decent 800/1500 runners). I did see Chas get some work on his foot before the start of Day 2 (it looked pretty ugly, I'm guessing from his 10K run the night before where he placed 3rd), so it's possible he did not run due to that. But the Harvard men just aren't as strong. My only guess as what happened to the women is that they peaked too early and they got burnt out at Heps. They did so well at the Penn Relays a few weeks ago. I know there are youtube videos of the Harvard coach talking to his team (but I cannot view youtube at work), so you guys can check it out to see what happened.

Ancient Ivy wrote:

wuts wrote:

Dolan is KILLING Princeton - how do Dinkins, Callahan, Palmasano,Mathabane and all their other super frosh fail to even make the finals.

Greatest waster of talent - Princeton men and Harvard women. Not even close.

Yeah, Dolan is awful.[/sarcasm]

Only one freshman made the 800/1500 finals at Heps and he wasn't from Princeton, so that's a failure?

Dinkins was in hospital 2 days before with a virus infection (as was Van Ackeran) if you listen to coach Samara's pre-Heps interview on Goprincetontigers.com you'll hear him talk about it. Both guys ran their events but were clearly below par.

C/M Runner wrote:

Austin Hollimon pulled his quad sometime after the 4x1 (possibly during it but he finished his leg and the team ended up 3rd), which is why he did not run in any finals or the 4x4 relay. I heard someone say that without Hollimon running, it resulted in a 20-point swing against Princeton.

What doesn't make sense with Hollimon is that he was clearly warming up for the 200 finals and only put his sweats back on and left the track after an official told him to. If he really was hurt, why show up for the 200 at all? Also, didn't he know you can't compete after scratching from an event?

I remember seeing him with the official at the 200m start. I thought he was just telling the official that he was not going to run... I don't know what Hollimon was thinking, but for all I know, he could have been trying to test out his leg to see if it would work for the 200m, figured out it wouldn't, and then told the officials he was not running. I'm not sure if medical scratching would have allowed him to run later in the day.

Columbia has a serious space issue outside Wien Stadium that would affect the abiility to hold throwing events and recruit throwers. With reconfiguring of fields for other sports, there's appears no room for the javelin, hammer or disc. I guess that's the next time the outdoor Heps are held in NYC, they'll be at Icahn Stadium.

I also agree there is serious imbalance of talent/recruitment across the Ivies since Princeton and Cornell are so dominant.

Sanjay: there are people who care about the Harvard teams, as I am one of them.

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Sorry. I know many alums are and should be down about the performances. To be clear, my point is that no one within the athletic administration at most of the Ivies care enough to do anything about the mediocre or poor finishes. Too many coaches hang their hat on the "student-athlete" experience, not realizing that losing (and not getting any better) greatly affects that experience. If this were any other major Div 1 conference, many coaches here would be feeling the heat. [quote]C/M Runner wrote: