200th post.
200th post.
I agree....there is no way in hell Lance Armstrong will run a 2:15 marathon...pro runners run 2:15 marathons. Lance Armstrong can't break 2:40 in a marathon. Talented runners who train their butts off work hard to break 2:40. Granted Lance Armstrong is in great shape..it's biking shape and that does not just transfer right over to running. Running is running and biking is biking..biking may be great cross training but it cannot substitute biking. Just cause he's in phenomenal shape does not mean he can automatically run a great marathon. He would have to train for couple years to run a decent marathon..nevermind a 2:15!!! Not gonna happen...even with any "help" he may use.
bullshit indeed
And if she needs it I could play guitar,"
If Lance Armstrong played guitar, would he be able to rumble with Van Halen ? Joe Satriani ? Steve Vai ?
After all, he's in great shape from the bike. Then again, I know some competitive cyclists who are lousy guitarists.
Maybe, just maybe cycling skills are more transferrable to running than to guitar. But i'm just guessing here ...
I think that I can give some educated input on this. I ran Div 1 X-Country and and track, 31:50 for 10k, and lived and raced bikes in europe for 6 years. Cycling at the level that Lance is at right now is a completely different level of pain and and conditioning then a 2:30 Lance would have no problem running a 2:30 right now, as would about 100 other pro riders, mostly climbers.
Many riders run in the off season, many others think it is crazy. One of my former teammates took up running, got pretty obsessed with it during the off season, ran 2:40 something his first time and right around 2:30 his 2nd. He finally had to stop doing them because our DS was getting pissed....he was not even close to the same league as Lance . When I would come home in the off season I would join in with my old running friends and keep up no problem. The biggest issue was getting the body used to the pounding but that only took a few weeks....also my ass felt huge. I honestly thought I was faster coming out of a season on the bike.
As for the other way around, forget about it. The development of the musculature you need for cycling takes years...yeah there are some naturals but I have not heard of many crossing over from running. Sure someone may do OK in a US domestic race but Europe is a completely different game.
With all that being said I hope that Lance just goes away, he is an ass.
I agree with you that Lance is an ass...but I dont feel that just because you're an amazing biker automatically means you're and awesome runner. I mean it took you years to build up to that 10k most likely..nevermind a marathon. And also I know plenty of runners who develop injuries and all cross over too biking. I just don't think he would be able to do it...not even with taking more drugs than he takes now lol
I think Lance could take Webb. No Seriously. SERIOUSLY. seriously.
dude
seriously.
Besides, does anyone remember the American cyclist Joe Walsh? He placed 11th in the France and ran a 2:14 in the Marathon. Seriously. No, Seriously.
DUDE, SERIOUSLY!!!
Lance beating Webb makes absolutely no sense cuz last time I checked Webb wasn't a marathoner.
Armstrong won't break 2:40
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As for the other way around, forget about it. The development of the musculature you need for cycling takes years...yeah there are some naturals but I have not heard of many crossing over from running. Sure someone may do OK in a US domestic race but Europe is a completely different game.
With all that being said I hope that Lance just goes away, he is an ass.
Double standard much? A cyclist can cross over but a runner can't? If the lack of musculature hurts a runner then the addition of musculature hurts a cyclist. As it is right now Lance is too bulky and his muscles aren't prepared for the eccentric nature of running 26.2 miles. He could probably run a decent 5k, say around 16 minutes, but it would be a very bouncy 5k. He doesn't have the effecient stride and it would take him years to develop his stride in the same way it would take years for a runner to develop the muscular coordination for the bike. Muscular coordination goes both ways. It takes time to develop. I bet you could find some rowers with 70-80 Vo2maxes and high thresholds and all other sorts of pretty scientific data but it doesn't transfer to other sports because of the different muscle fiber recruitments needed. Simple as that.
Alan
I agree that Lance will never run a sub-2:40 marathon.
From an article/interview with Lance Armstrong in February 2004:
"In any event, beyond winning another Tour, Armstrong has one more sporting ambition he has to fulfil. [Lance] wants to run a sub-five minute mile. [Armstrong said] 'I'd hurt for a week after but I'd love to see if I could do that. Four laps, 75 seconds a lap, wouldn't that be something?'"
(www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9910-1018310,00.html)
Despite the fact that he's arguably the greatest endurance athlete ever, if Lance sees running a 5 minute mile as a good challenge for himself then he'd have to earnestly invest time and energy in running a 2:40 marathon. Armstrong's longing for retirement's "comfort and ease" may trump the required work to run 26.2 miles at 6:06 mile (2:40 marathon).
Armstrong is a remarkable endurance athlete, but his comments about running a 2:30 marathon are less of a realistic prediction and more of a reflection of the level of competition he's used to in cycling.
"Armstrong is a remarkable endurance athlete, but his comments about running a 2:30 marathon are less of a realistic prediction and more of a reflection of the level of competition he's used to in cycling."
well said.
Fizzy--SERIOUSLY! wrote:
I think Lance could take Webb. No Seriously. SERIOUSLY. seriously.
dude
seriously.
Besides, does anyone remember the American cyclist Joe Walsh? He placed 11th in the France and ran a 2:14 in the Marathon. Seriously. No, Seriously.
DUDE, SERIOUSLY!!!
You can't argue with a sick mind.
hahah, i know guys without much endurance talent and with horrible running styles who have run 2:30, and here comes a guy with superhigh vo2max and lactate treshold and you think he can't break 2:30?
If he works on his running form seriously i wouldn't be surprised to see him run under 2:20.
Fizzy--SERIOUSLY! wrote:
I think Lance could take Webb. No Seriously. SERIOUSLY. seriously.
dude
seriously.
Besides, does anyone remember the American cyclist Joe Walsh? He placed 11th in the France and ran a 2:14 in the Marathon. Seriously. No, Seriously.
DUDE, SERIOUSLY!!!
What year was it that this Joe Walsh came in 11th in the Tour de France?
[What year was it that this Joe Walsh came in 11th in the Tour de France?[/quote]
I think it was the year before he joined the Eagles.
I imagine he used to run mid. 30's at the end of triathlons. I know triathlons and I know how people exagerate splits. These times I'm quoting are realistic ones. He could of probably ran 33 on a stand alone 10 KM back in the day. He'd get back down to that if he wanted to and then with his endurance capabilities and free time I'm sure that 2:30 is easily attainable. However, does he want to commit. Realistically, its also only about 8 - 10 hours of running per week to reach such a time. He trained 30 + as a cyclist.
Again, 30 hours of cycling and 10 hours of running are worlds apart. He wouldn't be able to do 10 hours of running right now without the impact stress leading to injury. He's not going to just hop off his bike and out of the blue run 2:30. He hasn't trained. Would you expect Bekele to just hop on a bike and be competitive AT ALL in ANY cat 1 race? No. If he trains for few years then he could probably run 2:30, but he's not going to do that. I really wish some of you commenting would read a basic physiology book. Why didn't Michael Jordon dominate baseball? You need hand/eye coordination in both. Simply because certain physical skills translate over to another sport doesn't mean the same success will. The pattern of muscle fiber recruitment is completely different so the response will be completely different. His muscles have to "learn" how to run effeciently just like his muscles "learned" to bike effeciently. That takes time. If he had 2-5 years to put in he could probably get under 2:30. If this was 1998 and he decided to run or go back to triathlon then sure he would have had success. But this isn't 1998 and he doesn't have the time to burn. He has or had the POTENTIAL to run a 2:15-2:30 or win an Ironman Triathlon or Escape From Alcatraz, but he decided to be a cyclist and that's where his time has been spent and what his muscles developed for. Apples and oranges are fruit, but you can no better call an apple an orange than you can call an orange an apple.
Alan
Alan
What you people are missing is that he HAS a running background (probably more than most on this board). He was a national class oly distance triathlete in high school. Sorry to inform you but a 33 10K doesn't get one to that level (maybe after 40K on the bike). I really think that most people on this board have zero clue as to what kinds of workouts he has been doing for years. We are talking about hours and hours of extreme pain -- not some 4xmile workout that a lot of people on here think qualifies as hard. He is a cardo machine that was gets rid of LA faster than probably anyone. Could he run a 2:20 marathon right now? No way. He hasn't been running much at all this year. Could he get there with a good 6-12 months of training? Absolutely. It's not that fast. Could he get to 2:15? Probably not. These people who keep on chiming in that he wouldn't break 2:40 are delusional? Do you realize how easy it is to break 2:40 and
how little aerobic capacity it takes? I know a lot of people who have done it who weren't great runners in high school and weren't even good enough to run in college. We are talking about one of the fittest and badest asses ever doing a sport that he has a background in and that is very similar to his own (hello, baseball and background are not very similar the last time i looked).