Yes, I'm a jack mormon. I live in Utah, surrounded by some of the most close-minded, judgmental, fundamentalist morons on Earth.
Do I hate Christ? What a typically silly Mormon question. Nothing is wrong with charity, except when it is a veiled attempt to spread your ultra-oppressive religion. You're making a strawman argument. No one is saying that trying to "help others" is bad.
I'm a Mormon and attend BYU. Like most students attending BYU I came because of my religious beliefs. The honor code is really what sets BYU apart from other universities. If you want to learn what Latter Day Saints believe without misrepresentation go to Mormon.org and look under the sections: Our Values and Our Faith. Just because members don't live their religion perfectly doesn't mean that they are bad members or that their religions' teachings are bad.
runner33 wrote:
Just because members don't live their religion perfectly doesn't mean that they are bad members or that their religions' teachings are bad.
So then what does it mean????
Yeahhhh... lets all get our information from the complete opposite of the spectrum... that would never be unfair? These people would never be bitter, or one sided..
This whole thing is old. You guys should accept Mormons for who they usually are, and realized they are still humans like everyone else and might make mistakes. If you are not interested in their message, instead of bad mouthing perhaps just say you aren't interested and move on.
Another Mormon wrote:
Here are a couple of links as you requested. Since there is so much misinformation going on about the LDS church, you might as well go straight to the church's websites to see what they say they believe.
http://www.mormon.orghttp://www.lds.orgThe video on Rob Morris who played football at BYU and for the Colts at the
http://www.mormon.orgsite was interesting.
I was an athlete and All-American at BYU and my own experience was that the vast majority of students and athletes at BYU live the honor code, I lived in 3 or 4 different apartments over the 4 years of my schooling and I don't think I had one roommate in that time that wasn't living the code. At BYU it isn't that hard to abide the honor code because pretty much everybody else has similar values regarding not drinking, smoking, doing drugs or having premarital sex. That is not to say that there isn't a lot of social interaction and dating going on, it's just that most BYU students don't take it any further than kissing.
There was an article in USA Today today stating that 27% of men and 29% of women age 15-24 in America say they have never had a sexual encounter, up from only 22% back in 2002. So it's not just the Mormons that are realizing there are positive consequences to living a chaste life.
I also take exception with anyone who says the LDS faith in any way discounts women. Nothing is further than the truth. The LDS church has one of the largest women's organizations on the planet. Women are taught at an early age the value of education and that they are a precious child of God and are valued for their intellect, spirit and internal beauty, unlike America media and many letsrun posters who continually objectify women. Many women choose to stay at home to help raise the family because Mormons believe that no other success can compensate for failure in the home, I married a well educated LDS woman with a PhD who put her career on hold when we started our family, not because I wanted her to, but because she wanted to be there for the kids.
Finally, I would say if you want to know what goes on in the LDS religion, what we are like and what we believe, take a three hour block out of your life and go to church some Sunday. Any interest we have in proselyting you comes from the fact that most Mormons are happy with their life and think others would benefit from the same lifestyle. If a Mormon wants to share with you their beliefs, take it as a compliment.
You are f***** high. The system that you are apart of is ridiculously sexist. I doubt you see it as being so, but it is out of control the way most women are treated within the Church. The Church tends to put a front on everyone - sort of like your home economics...aka housewife majors that BYU offers.
It's okay, keep looking like you are living a perfect life - that is after all the goal right?
I feel so horrible, especially for the young women who grow up in the church. Your guys' only chance of making it out is if you don't go to byu.
That way you might actually have a beer, have sex, or some other awakening that leaves you saying...W....T...F
I'd love to have a civil conversation about the church with you,(more civil than I am being right now), but don't bring lies, I grew up apart of the church.
maccabee wrote:
I find it curious that such a degree of hate is summoned at the mention of the Mormon religion or lifestyle.
What lifestyle is that? Where they massacre outsiders trying to make a life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacrelube wrote:
Provo must be the whack-off capitol of the world.
Actually, Provo has a higher percentage of anal warts than any non-Gay community in the US (I live here in Utah and I know that a lot of Mormons just "do it in the butt" because it's "not as bad"). Utah also has more porn consumption than any other state in the US. Beyond this, Mormonism is much more detrimental to the US than extreme Islam. It is an all-controlling cult that brainwashes its victims and promotes a lack of forgiveness, fear amongst its tenants, and a disdain for all those outside its walls. The fact that anyone can buy into a religion whose official stance until 30 years ago was that African individuals were literally the spawn of Satan is completely unfathomable to me. Joseph Smith was a crook, a sexual deviant, and a generally horrible person, one of the single worst people, morally, to ever live in the USA, and Brigham Young wasn't much better. I hate the Mormon Church and everything they are associated with.
Fine, we've heard all this stuff before, with one exception. I think we're going to need a citation for that anal warts claim.
More dangerous than muslim extremists? I don't know of any mormons that have crashed planes into buildings or set off bombs in crowded public places. I'm not a fan of mormonism by an any means, but that comment is off base.
Husky Hank wrote:
""What a bunch of white uncle toms you guys are.
The school should have no power over a student's sex life.
Whenever a team punishes a player for normal behavior like sex, smoking weed, accepting an airline ticket to go home, etc., every player in D I should go on strike. Let's see how wedded these clowns are to their morals when they are losing billions of dollars.
This is not about doing the right thing, this is about having power over the individual..............""
Lets be perfectly clear here. BYU has an honor code and Davies broke that honor code. How did BYU find out that Davies broke the code? Answer, he turned himself in.
Now, you may not like this code, or this code may not be for your liking. But Mr. Davies signed to go to BYU. And BYU has rules and codes that are important to follow. So, while you didn't sign up to go to BYU. And you may not like these codes and rules. You need to respect them as the codes and rules for BYU.
Your example of everyone going on strike whenever someone gets suspended, is laughable. Rules and codes are needed more in today's world, not less. And if you don't want to abide by these rules and codes, then don't sign up to attend BYU.
I applaud BYU for sticking by their principles and suspending Davies from the team. While I wouldn't have suspended him for the entire season, its not my code or my call to make.
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You are the perfect example of the type of fool I am talking about. Rules preventing the most natural of behaviors are instituted solely to exert power over the population; for you to applaud this as honorable is absured. If you don't like the rules don't sign up to attend? How about if you don't like the rules pay no attention to them like a man
The BYU bashing shows how most of you don't understand the concept of freedom and how lucky we are that America is still free for now despite fools like you trying to force your views on the BYU faithful.
I am a Christian and I consider Mormonism to be a cult and not part of Christianity and that Joe Smith made up the whole thing copying the way Mohamed made up Islam. However, it is a great thing that Mormons have the freedom to create BYU and make up their own rules and enforce those rules at THEIR school. It is great that students have the freedom to attend BYU or not.
It is all you BYU bashers who are close minded, don't understand freedom, don't cherrish freedom and are actually afraid of freedom. It scares you that people have different values than you and that you can force your values on them. You hate that BYU is free to make their own rules that you disagree with and that they actually enforce those rules. You hate it even more that kids freely choose to go the BYU and freely sign the Code of Conduct. You rage with anger and wish you could force BYU to conform to your standards because you actually hate freedom. Freedom is everything and should be embraced and cherrished.
Actually, you are the type of fool that I am talking about because you don't understand the situation. BYU has standards, son. If you don't want to abide by those standards then you pay the consequences. Its code baby. You don't like the rules, then you either go elsewhere or pay the consequences for your actions. This is a concept that your ilk has no understanding about. The don't trust anyone over 30 crowd has ruined this country and I applaud BYU for sticking to their guns. Its great to see the pendulum starting to turn.
Hey UncleB,you are free not to attend BYU if you don't like their rules. Start up your own college with the rules that you like. We are free in this country, and we can start our own organizations if we don't like the rules. But when you sign up at BYU, you know what the rules are. Some people are forgetting that it was Davies who turned himself in for breaking the code. Can't you understand that Davies and BYU both handled this situation very well. Just because these are not the rules that you like, who are you to tell BYU that they need to change their code because you, Joe blow, don't like them. I love how the tolerance crowd is only tolerant towards a certain group. The group that agrees with them.
Husky Hank wrote:
Actually, you are the type of fool that I am talking about because you don't understand the situation. BYU has standards, son. If you don't want to abide by those standards then you pay the consequences. Its code baby. You don't like the rules, then you either go elsewhere or pay the consequences for your actions. This is a concept that your ilk has no understanding about. The don't trust anyone over 30 crowd has ruined this country and I applaud BYU for sticking to their guns. Its great to see the pendulum starting to turn.
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You called me son. How clever. That means you are right.
These rules are in put in place to establish the power of the ruling class over you. And you accept them as legit, you damn quisling
Shannon45 wrote:
Hey UncleB,you are free not to attend BYU if you don't like their rules. Start up your own college with the rules that you like. We are free in this country, and we can start our own organizations if we don't like the rules. But when you sign up at BYU, you know what the rules are. Some people are forgetting that it was Davies who turned himself in for breaking the code. Can't you understand that Davies and BYU both handled this situation very well. Just because these are not the rules that you like, who are you to tell BYU that they need to change their code because you, Joe blow, don't like them. I love how the tolerance crowd is only tolerant towards a certain group. The group that agrees with them.
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These rules are ridiculous and serve no purpose except to establish the power of the elite over the population. Why should a basketball team have any say over the sex life of one of its unpaid adult employees?
Get off your knees and act like an adult.
Ban ROTC wrote:
So what if Davies likes men. God created gays in her own image.
You sir are an hero.
Given that this player a) is a Mormon and b) grew up in Provo, he probably had a pretty good grasp of what BYU's rules are.
In fact, at some (probably subconscious) level, this guy may have wanted to leave the team--who knows why. This could have motivated his transgression and confession--knowing that what he was doing would get him off the squad.
In any case, he knew what he was doing (both this incident, and going to BYU in the first place) and he knew the potential consequences of his actions.
Free Man wrote:
I am a Christian and I consider Mormonism to be a cult and not part of Christianity and that Joe Smith made up the whole thing copying the way Mohamed made up Islam. However, it is a great thing that Mormons have the freedom to create BYU and make up their own rules and enforce those rules at THEIR school. It is great that students have the freedom to attend BYU or not.
This is a good example of "concern trolling" -- pretending to stand up for someone or something as an excuse to pile on.
You're right about Mormonism and Islam being taken right from Christianity, but you left out the part about Christianity also being adapted from older savior-cult religions, with Jesus very undisguisedly mimicking Horus and any number of other godmen who were born of virgins, crucified only to come back to life after three days, etc. In a nutshell you're like a Yankees fan bitching about how rude people in Red Sox Nation are, but applauding the Sox' willingness to spend out the ass to buy all of their talent rather than develop it through their farm system.
dean moriarty wrote:
Fine, we've heard all this stuff before, with one exception. I think we're going to need a citation for that anal warts claim.
It's not published yet. There is a researcher at the U of Utah that will be publishing this in the near future, however. If you don't believe it, that's fine, but it's true.
Here is the bottom line and it doesn't matter if you hate or love the Church , out of wedlock children are part of the downfall of our great nation. Too many athletes have kids with different women and play college sports and BYU won't have it. Good for BYU !!!!!!! making a stand while others won't is never popular.