Breaking: 2017 London Marathon Champ Daniel Wanjiru Busted!!!

casual obsever wrote:

"there can be hundreds of reasons found why HB is fluctuating"

Didn't Paula Radcliffe cover most of those ?....

I think this calls into question many athletes training with Volare Sports. For a relatively small group to have 2 doping busts in the last 4 months (Wilson Kipsang) it isn’t reaching to say that there are likely others under the same management doping.

trailer park boys wrote:

If race directors stepped up (at least in the US) and stopped allowing kenyan/ethiopian drug cheats to rampantly gobble up prize money throughout the US maybe the general public would start to pay even the tiniest bit of attention again. There is absolutely no reason that US race directors should be paying out prize money to faceless kenyan/ethiopians. If we actually want to stop drug cheats, there needs to be less incentive for them on the roads (where its harder to be caught anyways).

Yes the race directors should absolutely be doing this. In Europe as well. If they don't do this then isn't there a way that local governments can step in and start prosecuting Race Directors for basically facilitating organized crime? The London marathon elite race organizers should have been fined several billion dollars and imprisoned by now for the amount of dopers they have invited to their races while constantly turning a blind eye. In addition the management companies of these athletes, in this case Voltaire sports should also be fined very heavily and the athletes with these companies should also be banned for 12 months at least. This is the only way to correct the problem.

If you're a high-performing athlete, particularly, Kenyan, there seems a base assumption of being Guilty until proven Innocent (of banned doping).

This is WADA's basic approach with biological passport violations.

Daniel Wanjiru is "provisionally" suspended. Something looked off and a burden of proof now falls largely on him.

Vindication is a long, costly, and difficult process, and even if an eventual outcome, earnings and opportunity are irrevocably lost - and taint of accusation persists.

Biological passport violations do not indicate presence of banned substances. Just possible or probable doping based on changes in associated naturally-occurring markers.

So they don't find evidence of EPO, for example, but might find evidence of it looking for changes in blood profile consistent with use; Haematocrit, elevated RBC levels, etc.

The problem with "experts" are they are anything but. Ask two experts, you may get two answers.

There are errors in measurement, and beyond that, significant variations between different individuals, and between the same individual over time. These differences can be attributable to innocuous factors not associated with doping; genetics, nutrition, illness, training, and such.

The Biologic Passport program surely detects cheats. But it can and does misidentify clean athletes as cheats.

Alabama BSS wrote:

Is there anybody on this board who sees a Kenyan win a race and legitimately think they aren’t cheating???

It is time for race directors to stop allowing Kenyan elites (cheaters) to compete. Without them, there would be greater interest from the regular public. They are absolutely killing the sport. Nobody cares about them.

Don’t forget Ethiopia

Ernest wrote:

The Biologic Passport program surely detects cheats. But it can and does misidentify clean athletes as cheats.

Does it now? The ABP limits are fairly lenient to avoid innocent athletes flagging false positive. Give me five athletes who tested false positive and their ban was subsequently successfully lifted. I won’t wait up...

He clearly doped and stole from other athletes, including his fellow countrymen. He doesn’t even have the decency to admit it and apologise.

The East Africans have turned distance running into a complete and utter farce over the last 25 years. Worse than cycling in fact. The sad thing is they would still dominate the sport without the rampant cheating, but they would have to reckon with things like more than the occasional one or two athletes from other parts of the world being in the lead pack of a marathon at 20 miles.

By about 10-12 years ago, it got to the point where they weren't even trying to hide it. They'd be 8, 10, or 12 runners (many complete unknowns) cranking out 2:04, 2:05 and 2:06 in nearly every big city marathon, raking in the prize money hand over fist.

is it heavy carrying all that water? seriously tired of the kenyan apologists. there is rampant cheating that is ruining the sport and people like yourself continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. lets be clear about this too, not all kenyans are dirty, but until there is substantial evidence that the country has cleaned up their act as whole, I think its fair to presume guilt, especially there is doubt surrounding the performance(s) in the first place.

Where is the liar Renato Canova who profits off the doping and claims elite Kenyand dont dope? Corrupt and money hungry Agents like him and the Rosa's are another reason this sport has become tainted.

Examples of false-positive ABP results abound in statistical study. Paula Radcliffe, Henrik Ingebrigtsen, and Mo Farah were flagged as likely doping by ABP but weren't sanctioned. If you believe they're clean, that speaks to ABP. Some athletes sanctioned for ABP violations may be clean - but never sought or obtained a reversal, for whatever reason. Beyond that, here are a few (more than five) athletes sanctioned due to ABP violations and cleared: Marta Domínguez (Steeplechase) - cleared by Spanish Athletics Federation Ibai Salas (Cycling) - cleared by TAD (Spanish Administrative Court for Sport) Roman Kreuziger (Cycling) - CAS appeal dropped by UCI and WADA Sergio Henao (Cycling) - cleared by UCI Matej Toth (Racewalking) - cleared by AIU/IAAF Yara van Kerkhof (Speed Skating) - cleared by ISU Cleared - but later re-sanctioned by CAS: Tadej Valjavec (Cycling) - cleared by Slovenian Anti-Doping Agency Franco Pellizotti (Cycling) - cleared by Italian Olympic Committee (CONI)

Oh really?! wrote:

Ernest wrote:

The Biologic Passport program surely detects cheats. But it can and does misidentify clean athletes as cheats.

Does it now? The ABP limits are fairly lenient to avoid innocent athletes flagging false positive. Give me five athletes who tested false positive and their ban was subsequently successfully lifted. I won’t wait up...

He clearly doped and stole from other athletes, including his fellow countrymen. He doesn’t even have the decency to admit it and apologise.

I still don't understand why Jon Orange hasn't compiled his thermoregulatory research and approached WADA to prove that drugs don't work.

It's like he wants to save the poor misled Africans but he doesn't want to step up to the plate and do more than trolling his theory on here for 20 years.

He could even bring rekrunner along to back up his "Science".

The only runner on that list was cleared by the Spanish athletic federation, no way I'm buying that. Also you've got to realize how pitifully small your list of absolved athletes is. Of the three you've brought out as suspicious we all are pretty sure that two of them doped, it's extremely weak "evidence" for this side of the issue.

The Stablemaster wrote:

Editor's note. The 27-year old Wanjiru has the following marathons on his CV.

2014

2:08:18 7 BMW Frankfurt 26 Oct

2016

2:09:25 4 Volkswagen Praha 8 May

2:05:21 1 TCS Amsterdam 16 Oct

2017

2:05:48 1 Virgin Money London 23 Apr

2:12:16 8 WC London 6 Aug

2018

2:10:35 8 Virgin Money London 22 Apr

2:10:21 5 TCS New York NY 4 Nov

2019

2:08:40 11 Virgin Money London 28 Apr

Additionally, he's run 27:43 on the roads and 59:20 for the half (3 times under 60:00).

Going by those results things had been slipping away from him since his 1st in London and just like his Volare team mate Kipsang (and dozens of other Kenyan's) got desperate and went for a booster.

I don't even take the sport seriously anymore after 50 years of involvement.

Calling Coevet and El Keniano to discuss these developments ...

Distance running from a participant and athlete perspective had been destroyed by the East Africans. Media attention has gone to close to zero. What clean white athlete believes they can train hard when 50 East Africans run sub 2:05 marathons? So they don’t try. There is a belief that the EAfricans have some super gene. They don’t. They just cheat.

The IAAF needs to suspend Kenya immediately. Drop the f’ing hammer on them. This is absolute BS that this keeps happening. Meet Directors in Europe need to pull the plug on every single agent and coach of these arseholes. They don’t need them in order to have a successful meet.

Remember when it was believed that the Jamaicans had some sort of super sprint gene? It seemed like they had all these great young sprinters. What happened when they started to get drug tested?

Kipchoge is five minutes ahead of Wanjiru.. but you know, clean athlete. He has a stronger mind. :P

Unpaid Nike Intern wrote:

Is he the last adidas runner to win a WMM?

Jepkosgei

Keitany

Was this the big bust that other thread was talking about?

Kimetto was the only clean one? Sad if true.