Pozdynakova-greatest ever?

I am not pronouncing one way or another on Jacobs or Pozdynakova but, forgive me, but this is nakedly bad logic:

"How many american 48-year old women are out there doing 120 miles a week, including 2 weekly long runs? How many 48-year old GUYS do that? Hell, how many posters on this board train harder than Poz and have run faster than 3:56 1500m AND 2:29 marathon?"

You don't sincerely believe that "drug accusers" are accusing drug users of laziness? Don't you people get it yet? Drugs FACILITATE hard work, they are not a replacement for it. Show me your hardest workers (given that hard work produces varying gains in different "clean" people as well as between the clean and the dirty) and those are more likely the ones on drugs. I gurantee you, all those doped up bodybuilders spend hours a day in the gym. Would it deflect attention from their doping if I said "They spend 6 hours a day in the gym - so it is obviously the hard work - have you done that?" Of course, you haven't, because if you aren't doping 6 hours a day won't produce any more benefits than 2 hours.

Don't they teach y'all rational thought in HS anymore or are they just too busy helping you with your self-esteem?

Repeat after me - people use steroids because their work ethic outstrips their ability to benefit by it, not as a substitute for work.

We are never going to clean up this sport until people realize that world class athletes are talented driven people and those that use drugs do so because they have convinced themselves that it SHOULD be all about hard work (not differing genetic capacities to benefit thereby) and have recognized that their body can't handle and improve by the work they are willing to do.

And, besides, didn't Pozdynakova serve a drug suspension in her youth?

Any athlete rehydrating on coke and testing positive for caffeine must have been mainlining it, snorting it, drying it up and putting it in a hash pipe and smoking it, douching with it, and receiving enemas with it. You can't drink enough coke to test posiitive for caffeine without puking your brains out. Don't know the exact numbers (I could look them up but I'm too lazy), but there's around 75mg of caffeine in a can of coke and you need what 1000 or 1200 to test positive?What is that 15-16 cans of coke??? The only people that have ever tested positive for cafiene are the bikers who were using the suppositories of 1500mg, and must be very lucky that they're not dead.

Ephedra isn't only found in cold medicine although that is the excuse of choice....ask Bechler's widow if he had a cold.

RTS wrote:

Don't you people get it yet? Drugs FACILITATE hard work, they are not a replacement for it.

I always thought drugs produced brain damaged idiots.

Thank you for proving it... and my condolences.

I am making no accusations because I simply do not know. However, there are many drugs in cold medicines that are used to mask banned drugs in some testing procedures. Unless it is an olympic or wc caliber level of testing, these can be a real benefit to hide something else. Again, I am not saying this is the case here, but something to consider.

Facts only:

Average person weighing 170lbs needs 800mg of caffeine to test positive for caffeine under IOC guidelines of 12mg per liter.

Average american consumes about 300mg of caffeine daily, with about 15% consuming a gram or more.

Someone like Daniel Komen who weighs under 100 lb may need only about 500mg of caffeine to test positive.

A 6-oz cup of typical coffee of average strength contains 100mg of caffeine.

So Komen's only problem may have been drinking five 6-oz cups of coffee the morning of the competition.

Personally, I consume coffee in containers much larger than 6 oz. My commuter coffee cup is 16oz, and that's typically my second or even third cup of coffee in the morning. This means I am getting between 500 and 800 mg of caffeine BEFORE I even get to work. I can assure you half of the people in my office, including myself, would not pass IOC caffeine drug test.

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OK I was responding to the comment that a woman who drank Coke after a race tested positive for caffeine. I was wrong, I speculated that there was 75mg of caffeine in a can of coke....there are only 49mg. Urinary concentrations reflect the amount of caffeine that escapes metabolism in the body. According to the IOC report on Caffeine Testing, "caffeine levels exceeding 12ug/ml in heavy coffee/tea drinkers is extremely rare. they typically test at 2-3ug/ml in comp. and slightly higher out of comp. Women on an average test lower than men.

When cyclists who used caffeine as an ergogenic aid were tested only 76/775 tested positive. They were all due to the use of caffeine pills and/or suppositories.

The research shows that there are benefits to using 4-5mg/kg of body weight. There are disadvantages to exceeding that number. This would place the athlete using caffeine as a booster well within the IOC limits. That is one reason why it is extremely rare to see a positive test in LDR. Dehydration as a result of diuresis, elevated BP, heart palpitations, gastric distress, etc would make higher doses impractical as far as improved performance.

To repeat my original thought.....does anyone really believe that this marathon runner rehydrated with 20-25 cans of coke (23-28 if it was Pepsi)!

I will admit that there are rare individuals out there who do not metabolize the caffeine as well as others and test positive as a result. Again, these are rare, but if you are using caffeine as an aid you should be aware of this.

I think you and those in your office are safe.

Thanks Ike, being 50 and not having seen the good side of a sub 5 min mile for 5 years and not put together a string of them for over 9, I guess I need to get my Microhydrin over 30 and VAAM ASAP. Can't wait to fly again!!!