I saw Scherf's performance last night. Rojo is correct -- It was gutsy -- she took the race out and led. She had Bierbaum on her tail the whole way, but that was it. No fancy press releases, no hype, no Kenyan pacemakers, and most of the crowd had no idea she was going for it. She was determined to get it and she got it. Good for her!
Lindsey broke the oldest junior women's record in the books! Mary Shea ran her 32:52 on 6/15/79. It's a terrific performance regardless of how much others will appreciate it. Congratulations!
Harvard announcing a record attempt at Heps does not hold the same water as Oregon announcing a record attempt at Hayward Field.
Lindsey goes for a record every time she runs, she always tries to run a PR/AJR and win every race she runs. That goes for workouts as well, she is extremely driven and motivated and should only get better
if scherf looked like bierbaum, there would be a lot more "hype" over this race. face it, female athletes are only popular with males if they are hot (eg, tennis, track or soccer).
rojo wrote:
Plus, I think the girl's record is quite a bit softer than the men's junior record (compare it to a "world class" time).
Chapa's record would have been the 19th best time in the US last year and the 43rd best time in the world this year.
Shea's record would have been the 11th best time in the US last year and the 47th best time in the world this year.
Rupp's time would have been the 10th best time in the US last year and the 32nd best time in the world this year.
Sherf's time would have been the 11th best time in the US last year and the 47th best time in the world this year.
All according to T&F News website.
This indicates the records were nearly identical in difficulty, while Rupp's actual time is a bit better than Sherf's.
Sorry rojo didn't write that, actually did.
Why does this turn into a discussion about looks? I mean, nobody seems to comment on Galen Rupp's looks...........people who post stuff like that are sexist pigs who deserve to have their balls chopped off.
Too bad Webb isn't hotter -- he'd get more hype.
Of course the women's record is going to be a bit softer, women's 10K racing hasn't been around as long as men's has, remember?
ah beat me to it...
That's the kind of post that makes it worth coming back to these boards.
Using a very simple apples to apples approach:
If both of these fine runners improve their 10,000 times by 1 minute then we have 27:15 and 31:51.
The 27:15 vs Meb's AR of 27:13 2 secs slower
The 31:51 vs Deena's AR of 30:52 59 secs slower
Then let's take 1 more minute...
26:15
30:51
Oh wait!
dukerdog wrote:
Chapa's record would have been the 19th best time in the US last year and the 43rd best time in the world this year.
Shea's record would have been the 11th best time in the US last year and the 47th best time in the world this year.
skyerunner wrote:
Of course the women's record is going to be a bit softer, women's 10K racing hasn't been around as long as men's has, remember?
Glad to see that we're no longer arguing that Shea's record in the 10k is weak. Now we've moved on to argue that all women's times in the 10k are weak.
I know it's hard to accept, 32 minute letsruner's, but any woman running 36:30 is kicking your ass.
hey why is it so hard to believe that the womens 10k would be COMPARITIVELY weaker to the mens? it hasn't been around for half the time the mens has? so you'd probably say that the womens steeple times are just as competitive as mens, after all, time the event has been around doesn't seem to make a difference.
what the poster was saying does not slam US junior womens 10k runners.
oranges to oranges wrote:
Then let's take 1 more minute...
26:15
30:51
Oh wait!
ok just compare the times to the current AR's:
Rupp runs 1:02 slower than Meb's AR
Sherf runs 1:59 slower than Deena's AR
This is a simple and realistic comparison.Rupp is 57 seconds
closer to setting an AR in the 10 than Sherf.Case closed.
dumbdog wrote:
hey why is it so hard to believe that the womens 10k would be COMPARITIVELY weaker to the mens?
50th best men's time in the 1500 in 2004 = 3:36.5
50th best women's time in the 1500 in 2004 = 4:06.5 (13.86% slower)
50th best men's time in the 10k in 2004 = 27:55.7
50th best women's time in the 10k in 2004 = 31:58.1 (14.47% slower)
So I guess you're right. The women still have a little more than one half of one percent to make up in the 10k. That's about 10 seconds.
The funny part at Heps up in the booth was that even Jack Pfeifer really had no idea until the race was over that Scherf had broken the AJR. We were really only concentrating on whether Bierbaum would break O'Neill's all-time Ivy record (which she did).
It was a fine race by both women. You kind of wonder who is coaching Scherf at Harvard given the state of their program.
The Terminator wrote:
if scherf looked like bierbaum, there would be a lot more "hype" over this race. face it, female athletes are only popular with males if they are hot (eg, tennis, track or soccer).
true, true..
Run37 wrote:
RACE SUMMARY: Scherf was going for the junior record and had to set a reasonably fast pace early on. Columbia University?s Caroline Bierbaum was the only other fast runner in this race. 3rd place runner finished two minutes slower than these two. Bierbaum likely knew Scherf was going to have to go out fast and maintain a fast pace for the record. So she just sat right behind Scherf for the first 20 laps and used Scherf as her rabbit. Then at 100 meters into the 21st lap, Bierbaum suddenly passed Scherf with a burst of speed that put her ahead by 30 meters over the next half lap. Scherf did not try to follow but stayed focused on keeping a steady pace of 79 seconds per lap . It would have been foolish for her to try to stay with Bierbaum?s brief sprint with 2K yet to go. Bierbaum widened her lead to about 50 meters, or 10 seconds, after another lap. In the final two laps, Scherf managed to reduce Bierbaum?s lead a little, and closed to within 35m meters or 7 seconds at the finish line. Scherf?s final lap was a strong 75 seconds, but Bierbaum continued to run strong and Scherf had no chance of catching her at the end. These runners now have the top two 10K times this season.
Thank you for posting this.