Heps

Eyewitness wrote:

Lost his shoe in the 3k and ran on.He should have stopped on the track,put on some sneakers and jogged.If he had stopped altogether he would have been ineligable for any further races.I imagine he had a very sore foot the next day,and running with only one shoe is not good for one's back.

He wouldn't have been DQ'd for stopping, equipment failure i.e. lost shoe is a valid reason for stopping (putting on some sneakers wouldn't have been an honest effort anyway.

can anyone tell me how the dmr played out... i know a couple 1200 legs fell, but what else happened

Dan Grossman took a lot of photos (somewhere in the area of 1,800 I think). Wouldn't be surprised if there were some other photographers there as well.

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Great meet.

The kid from Brown who anchored the DMR (3rd in 3K on Saturday) ran a big PR, I think, to win it for them. Columbia was DQ'd for pushing a Penn or Cornell guy who took down the other (Penn or Cornell) guy. On the anchor leg, Hyde and Tully had another battle, but this one was less eventful since they were racing for second to last after both their leadoff legs fell, and not first like they did in the 3K. Cornell/Penn probably would have had a legit battle for first without the wild opening legs to the relay with all the falling. Still, props to the Brown guys for a solid race. Maybe they wouldn't have been in the mix if not for the falling on the lead legs, but then again, they probably would have been in the mix in both the mile and the 3K if Tarpy's shoe stayed on so....

Crazy weekend in the distances, I guess. Another DQ happened in the 1000m to a Penn frosh who actually 'won' the race. And a Columbia guy was NOT DQ'd (though he should have been) for slowing down and THEN pacing his teammate, Dusen, while Dusen was lapping him in the slow heat of the 5K (Thus allowing Dusen to take second overall, from the slower heat). Meet record in the 800m for Jaworski. And of course the epic showdown between Hyde and Tully in the 3K.

I dunno. I still think the 3K between Peter Hollatz (Brown) and Eddie Baker (Harvard) back in 2001(? I think it was 2001) was one helluva race. Hollatz won what was a closer race than it looked on paper in 8:07 (Baker was DQed, next guy was about 10 seconds back). Going into that season, Hollatz's mile PR wasn't much better than 4:20, adding to everybody's astonishment with the outcome of the race.

quote]Shep wrote:

That 3000m race between Nolan Tully, of Penn, and Bruce Hyde, of Cornell, was one of the greatest races I've ever seen. Tully made a move with 1000m to go, and Hyde and a few others went with him. With 400m to go, Hyde overtook Tully and seemed to open up a 3-5m lead. At this point, it appeared as though Hyde was going to unleash a kick that no one in the field could match, but Tully stayed with him. With 150m to go the two of them charging down the backstretch stride for stride, Tully somehow beat Hyde to the turn and hel him off for the title. All the Quakers in attendance stormed the track, mobbing Tully. Utterly amazing...[/quote]

Great job by the boys from Cornell. It should be pointed out that Indoor Heps is geared to schools with strong middle distance programs since there are 5 events (800, 1000, Mile, 4x8 and DMR) altogether versus two "distance" events in the 3000 and 5000.

It'll be interesting to see how Cornell's mid-distance depth translates outdoors when there is only the 800, 1500, 3000SC, 5000 and 10000.

FWIW, here is a further breakdown of scores separating the mid-distance event including relays from the distance (3k/5K) events:

800/1000/Mile/4x8/DMR

Cornell 50

Yale 25

Penn 25

Princeton 21

Dartmouth 16

Brown 11

Columbia 4

Harvard 3

3k/5k

Princeton 14

Yale 10

Penn 10

Columbia 9

Cornell 8

Brown 7

Dartmouth 4

Harvard 0

it was a typical crazy weekend . . . I especially liked how they had to call a coach's meeting on Sunday so the meet referee could remind them that shouting profanity at meet officials was grounds for ejection

The DQ in the 1000 was unfortunate to say the least. The poor freshman from Penn runs a great race but was so obviously inside Lane 4 on the first turn (and evidently the 2nd turn too) that I was told 3 different officials had yellow flags raised. This added 4 points to Cornell's already burgeoning middle distance points total. Tassinari in the mile had had the race set up perfectly for his kick earlier in the day.

Adam Seabrook, the freshman from Cornell, put a great legal elbow into a Princetonian at about the 200m mark stopping the other kid's momentum completely . . . Hurtault was already long gone but it ensured Seabrook's position. Linda Trotter wasn't so lucky in the women's 4 when she bumped Jesse Carlin off the track.

[quote]BillCarr wrote:

The DQ in the 1000 was unfortunate to say the least.

That's what happens when you cut the distance you have to run.

the other 3 Cornell girls should thank Trotter for taking the DQ as it was really a team effort that the 4 of them ran her off the track....

p.s. she crushed that girl in the first leg of the 4x4

I agree, great weekend by the Cornell Mid-D/Distance squad. but why can ROJO get them going in cross country. 2003 and 2004 HEPS were miserable.

2004 results

TEAM MEN TEAM

PLACE TEAM NAME SCORE

1 COLUMBIA 70 7 12 14 16 21 30 36

2 DARTMOUTH 79 10 15 17 18 19 29 37

3 PENN 87 5 9 20 26 27 39 40

4 BROWN 108 3 6 22 24 53 54 55

5 YALE 114 2 4 25 41 42 44 48

6 PRINCETON 116 8 13 28 33 34 38 43

7 CORNELL 145 1 31 32 35 46 47 49

8 HARVARD 180 11 23 45 50 51 52 56

2003 Cornell got DFL

Maybe a better question is why CAN rojo get them going so well during track season?

The "kid from Brown who anchored the DMR (3rd in 3K on Saturday)" is THE Owen Washburn, the former Massachusetts state cross country champ from Amherst-Pelham!

Way to go, Owen!

BillCarr wrote:

Adam Seabrook, the freshman from Cornell, put a great legal elbow into a Princetonian at about the 200m mark stopping the other kid's momentum completely . . . Hurtault was already long gone but it ensured Seabrook's position. Linda Trotter wasn't so lucky in the women's 4 when she bumped Jesse Carlin off the track.

I take it you mean legal in the sense that the official didn't see it (a common problem yesterday)?

What you have described is a perfect definition of an illegal block which should have led to a DQ (see below):

ARTICLE 3. The referee, after consulting with the appropriate officials, shall

disqualify a competitor who:

a. Jostles, cuts across or obstructs another competitor so as to impede the

other runner’s progress. Direct contact is not necessary; any action that

causes another runner to break stride or lose momentum is grounds for

disqualification:

In general the officiating was poor, as some said because of the USATF Nationals being in town we didn't even get the B team!

quakerfan wrote:

the other 3 Cornell girls should thank Trotter for taking the DQ as it was really a team effort that the 4 of them ran her off the track....

p.s. she crushed that girl in the first leg of the 4x4

Indeed, and if the rules had been enforced correctly all the Cornell runners in that race could have been DQ'd.

All Races

ARTICLE 1. When an athlete commits a flagrant foul in a race to aid a teammate,

all persons from the offending team in that event shall be disqualified.

Such an infraction shall be reported by the umpire and ruled on by the

referee.

The indoor results are a matter of priority. Cornell places great epmhasis on running fast during the indoor season, and it works well for them and their team. Columbia basically does not step foot on a track during the indoor season, and it works well for them in XC. Did you see how many of their guys were entered as NT's? Cornell is better in track and Columbia is better in XC, ultimately who cares. They are both doing what they think is best for their programs!

Was I the only one who thought that Penn storming the track after tully won the 3k was completely classless? They were celebrating like they won the meet. They also were all crossing the track while runners were still finishing. Act like you've been here before guys... geez.

nit wrote:

I agree, great weekend by the Cornell Mid-D/Distance squad. but why can ROJO get them going in cross country. 2003 and 2004 HEPS were miserable.

2003 Cornell got DFL

Rojo has been there 3 years (2 for recruiting). It takes a while to turn around a program (ie recruiting). Cornell hadn't been getting the 9 minute 2 milers, the 4:10 milers, the 1:51 guys like some of the other schools in the league. Cornell's roster is full of 4:20 milers,1:55 guys, and 9:30 2 milers.

Look what rojo did now that he got Jimmy Winer (sp?) who was close to a 4:10 miler, 2nd in the Heps in the mile as a frosh. (his teammate was the only guy who beat him).

Oh come off it. Who in the league is regularly getting 9min 2 milers, 4:10 milers, and 1:51 half guys? No one has a roster full of these guys so quit deluding yourself thinking every other school has it so much better than yours. Most of the best distance runners in the league over the past 10 years were high school nobodies. That being said, give Rojo credit for getting his boys to show up mentally and physically when they need to.

As for the Penn team storming the track, sounds like sour grapes by someone. A guy who isn't even the best distance runner on his team wins what appears to be one of the most exciting indoor distance races in recent years over a 4 flat miler who also won XC and you don't expect his teammates to get excited? Please. That race would have been like Rojo or Wejo taking out Jason Stewart or Sam Wilbur back in the mid-90's. In fact, it kinda reminds me of Donal taking out Slicko at Dartmouth way back when.