Lebron Says Spurs Are Going Down in Game 7!

Lebron in last 39 seconds of the game: 2 turnovers and 1 for 3 shooting 3 ptrs

And the 3 minutes before that he had a turnover and missed jumper when they had the lead still.

Lebron's teammates Mike Miller, Ray Allen and Bosh saved him. Plain and simple.

For some inexplicable reason Lebron wants to shoot jumpshots or pass at crunch time. In basketball you lead with the ball. Jordan, and any team leader, would have gone to the basket and slammed it home. Wade did it several times last night. He is still the best player on that team, his knees just won;t allow him to go long effective minutes anymore.

Are you like 9 years old Johnnie?

stupid sheeple wrote:

Are you like 9 years old Johnnie?

sure. i learned "inexplicable" today and thought I would try it out.

and i go by John but the ladies say John ... eeeeeeeeee

also like most 9 year olds, i am a big O fan

johnnie wrote:

Lebron in last 39 seconds of the game: 2 turnovers and 1 for 3 shooting 3 ptrs

And the 3 minutes before that he had a turnover and missed jumper when they had the lead still.

Lebron's teammates Mike Miller, Ray Allen and Bosh saved him. Plain and simple.

For some inexplicable reason Lebron wants to shoot jumpshots or pass at crunch time. In basketball you lead with the ball. Jordan, and any team leader, would have gone to the basket and slammed it home. Wade did it several times last night. He is still the best player on that team, his knees just won;t allow him to go long effective minutes anymore.

Ok. First of all did you see the 7 minute stretch where he singlehandily led them from down 10. Dude was looking to score and was in "Cleveland mode". Honestly mike miller did ok but he also had boneheaded fouls that stopped momentum, if anything it should be mario chalmers who kept them close in the first half. Dwayne wade wasnt the same after the collision and only scored 14 most of those came in the second. Miami played great team defense in the fourth which cannot be more overlooked. Parker was limited to 6-23 because of lebrons defense. I agree bosh had great hustle moments and that cannot be taken away . Neither can ray's dagger with 5 seconds left but without lebron actually getting ticked and facilitating that run the spurs woupd have closed it far earlier. So whatever you say out last 2 minutes they would be there without him 32 pt triple double, absolutely found a fifth gear in 4th and led them to victory. His will in this game actually got me to root for him like in rocky IV. He's not jordan but he's no scrub

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Flag, Lebron hit a HUGE 3 in the last 28 seconds bro. Without that shot Ray Allen doesn't matter. He then made the go ahead basket in OT.

First of all Lebron was bailed out by his teammate mike miller who grabbed a rebound (off of lebrons brick) and dished it to him to hit a three. Secondly, Lebron had had another crack at it which he missed completely which Chris Bosh grabbed and dished to Allen to save his a**. Without Bosh and Allen contributions, Spurs Win. At the 4 min mark in the fourth quarter Lebron was 2-8 in FGs attempts and had 4 turnovers. How is any of this clutch? His teammates bailed him out of this one.

what///// wrote:

Without Bosh and Allen contributions, Spurs Win.

So he gets no credit for brining them back from 10 down at all? Really?

He does get credit BUT he was the reason why they were down to begin with. He played like crap the first half. Missing easy layups, etc. Seriously, watch the first half and look how many easy shots he missed. The spurs were sagging off of him the whole game begging him to shoot and he would still miss open jumpers. Like I said, great all around game but terrible shooting. Had he took care of business, then he wouldn't have needed a comeback in the fourth only to run out of gas in crunch time. And the only reason why I'm putting it all on him is because HE himself said that he is the leader of the team. So all the responsibility falls on him.

what///// wrote:

And the only reason why I'm putting it all on him is because HE himself said that he is the leader of the team. So all the responsibility falls on him.

Then you must stfu and give him all the credit for the win then.

Flagpole wrote:

Of course LeBron had a role...he IS the best current player on the planet, and probably the biggest thing he did was guarding Parker, but the stars of the last 28 seconds of regulation and then overtime were Bosh and Allen. If you knew nothing about basketball and started watching when the Heat was down by 5 points with 28 seconds to go and then watched all the way to the game's conclusion, you would have no idea that LeBron James was the best player (currently playing) on the planet. Gotta show up at crunch time too to get the MAD props. As it is, LeBron just gets props.

Flagpole, I'm disappointed in you. Surely you are aware of the concept of Sample Size.

Name a player who can record a triple double with 32 points, 16 in the 4th quarter alone, play smothering D on a hall-of-fame point guard, hit a huge 3 in the final 30 seconds, and get criticized for having a bad game.

Only for LeBron is that considered a bad game. His standard is the highest because he is the BEST.

Dennis Reynolds wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Well, I actually hope so. I'm a LeBron James fan. He did though prove to me last night that he's no Michael Jordan. That comeback win last night was mostly due to Ray Allen and Bosh (yes, some questionable ref calls, but everyone knows they try to swallow the whistle at the end of important games).

WTF, are you smoking crack? How can you attribute that comeback to Bosh and Allen? Yes they made big plays towards the end but don't forget Lebron imposing his will much earlier in the 4th quarter, the guy put up 16 points that quarter! Heat are not playing Thursday if Lebron doesn't do what he did.

look guys, you are both mostly right. And I don't always agree with Flagpole, but he is 95% right here. Where is he was partly wrong, and Dennis you correctly called him on this, was when he said: " That comeback win last night was mostly due to Ray Allen and Bosh." Down 10 at the start of the 4th, the comeback part was DEFINITELY due mostly to LeBron, doing it in every facet of the game: passing at first, driving, outside shooting, rebounding, blocking Duncan. He WAS the comeback, pretty much the whole thing (well the first comeback, then there was the 2nd one, down 5 with 20-something seconds to go)

On the other hand, he had kinda sucked up to that point (first 3 quarters), and then very late in the game, and in OT, he made a lot of crappy, extremely choke-job plays (after his mostly brilliant 4th). So yes, he seems to feel the pressure, unlike MJ, or even Bird. MJ refused to lose, and was almost always clutch. Lebron, as Flagpole points out, was definitely bailed out by Bosh, Allen, and other teammates. He lost or threw away the ball several times in key moments, bricked 2 key 3's (and only hit the big one when he got a 2nd try). You could seem the pressure on his face during the late timeouts, he looked like he was going to implode inside.

And I was cheering for LeBron. But he admitted it after the win: he made some really bad plays at key moments (kudos for his honesty. He KNOWS he almost blew it). But he also had some unbelievable moments. So a mixed bag for him.

Can't wait for game 7.

James Naismith, Jr. wrote:

Name a player who can record a triple double with 32 points, 16 in the 4th quarter alone, play smothering D on a hall-of-fame point guard, hit a huge 3 in the final 30 seconds, and get criticized for having a bad game.

Only for LeBron is that considered a bad game. His standard is the highest because he is the BEST.

That's the point, and I don't think Flagpole disagrees with you. But he IS LeBron, and he is as talented as any player ever. But he does, unlike Jordan, have some history with choking in big games. He did in several big playoff games in his first years, and he also completely locked up and refused to shoot during key moments in his first trip to the finals. I've never seen a player as good as him just check out mentally and not want the ball like he did vs Dallas in some of those games.

But he redeemed himself big time the last 2 years. Then, yesterday, entering the 4th, it looked like he was doing it again: all the pressure on him, game 6 must win, and....he was playing poorly and not wanting the ball. But then, he woke up in the 4th and became the LeBron that he should be in those moments: a monster, and unstoppable force. But THEN....he reverted to wilting under pressure and making a lot of mistakes, and being hesitant. That's when his teammates bailed him out. If they didn't, Spurs are champs. Jordan almost always delivered under pressure.

Yes, we are comparing him to the best ever. He isn't the best ever.....yet (there's still a chance).

Last night he made several really bad plays and shot to go along with his brilliant moments. That's just the truth, from an objective fan.

Why do you guys act like Jordan never choked or missed shots in big games? It took him years to win his first title.

And a couple years ago Lebron didn't not want the ball. He was listening to his coaches and following the plays that they were supposed to play. Lebron was not supposed to be the shooter. How in the world you can fault him for that is ridiculous.

1) Lebron has the most PPG in elimination games of any NBA player, ever. You can't say he chokes in big games.

2) He played well yesterday. Not anything out of the realm for Lebron - some dumb mistakes/turnovers - but a solid game. You can't say that he played lights out.

Firstly no on is saying that Jordan NEVER missed a big shot. But, I, like lots of people, watched Jordan play a lot of games and while sure, the memory isn't perfect, my recollection (backed by lots of evidence), is that most of the time, when he went down, the other team just had the deeper team and/or his teammates simply couldn't do enough to help. But rarely was it: What happened to Jordan?? Again, not saying never, but rarely.

I've also watched LeBron a lot. MANY times I've been dumbfounded by his play in the playoffs in certain big games (not all, but several)

WRONG. You think LeBron only shoots when the play calls for it??? What planet are you on?? Many, many people share my opinion of his play against Dallas in some of those games. He was passive, looked lost, and passed up open shots (is that what the coach tells the best player on the planet when is team is down in the biggest game of the year: "If you're open, don't take it, pass it to someone else." ???? Who is being "ridiculous"??)

Look, I am a LeBron fan. But his play against Dallas in SOME of those games was mystifying and extremely disappointing (and he had done that in many past games in the playoffs with Cleveland). To repeat: the last 2 years he answered the critics and has played amazing. But last night, and some other games in these playoffs, he's reverted to that "can't take the pressure" player. He also played like the best player on the planet at moments last night too.

He made it to game 7. But even he admitted: he almost blew it. If you can't trust me, trust him (and his disappointment even in victory was palpable. He knew he was possibly ruining part of his legend)

I'm not wrong. His own coach said that they made a mistake in his first few Heat seasons by playing him as something else instead of letting him be the leader and primary scorer.

kdkdk wrote:

I'm not wrong. His own coach said that they made a mistake in his first few Heat seasons by playing him as something else instead of letting him be the leader and primary scorer.

Ok, we can just disagree on that. Yes, LeBron was often a playmaker in the past, but he is still often playmaker now. But that doesn't mean you pass on an open shot, especially when you are as powerful of a scorer as James is. And especially, ESPECIALLY when you're team is down in the biggest game of the year. He did that vs Dallas. And it had nothing to do with the coach.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

kdkdk wrote:

I'm not wrong. His own coach said that they made a mistake in his first few Heat seasons by playing him as something else instead of letting him be the leader and primary scorer.

Ok, we can just disagree on that. Yes, LeBron was often a playmaker in the past, but he is still often playmaker now. But that doesn't mean you pass on an open shot, especially when you are as powerful of a scorer as James is. And especially, ESPECIALLY when you're team is down in the biggest game of the year. He did that vs Dallas. And it had nothing to do with the coach.

T-Rex, you must be off your medication again. I don't follow a single fvcking thing you mention above. Did the Heat not win last night? WTH are you rambling about LJ not doing his job?

18 points in last 17 mins, while stopping Parker - allowing him only an impossible step back 3 (got switched off in Parker's next 2-pt basket). Held Parker to an airball in last regulation possession & even got Pop to sit him. Parker's only scores vs LeBron were a G1 circus shot & baseline layup in G5.

LeBron also leads the NBA w/ 31 clutch pts in the playoffs - more than any 2 Heat combined. (5 mins or less in regulation & OT, 5 point or less game). LeBron's also 2nd w/ 13 rebs & tied for 3rd w/ 5 assts. (NBA.com).