If Treniere Moser was Spanish (or Algerian, or Moroccan, or Russian), wouldnt there be a lot of questions being asked?

Inquisitor wrote:

I would like to believe hard work and a new found focus has given an aging MD runner new legs, but her progress over 1500-5000m can't simply be the result of Salazar's sprint routine or underwater treadmill use.

Or the 30% bump in mileage?

Sometimes changing coaches can make a big difference. The training can be significantly different from before and it may suit an athlete a lot better.

If Treniere Moser was Spanish (or Algerian, or Moroccan, or Russian), wouldnt there be a lot of questions being asked?

well yes because they have a bad history of doping

it appears to me that most russians and north africans dope

USA yes but not as endemic

trello wrote:

light_em_up wrote:

Throw Ben True in there too. I like the guy, but bursting onto the scene at 30 is a little more than fashionably late.

And Will Leer (age 28). True and Leer are somewhat suspcious to me because they train "alone."

Leer has been running at his current level for years. True also is hardly "bursting onto the scene" as he has been a good competitive for years.

iwonder wrote:

If Treniere Moser was Spanish (or Algerian, or Moroccan, or Russian), wouldnt there be a lot of questions being asked?

well yes because they have a bad history of doping

it appears to me that most russians and north africans dope

USA yes but not as endemic

Those countries have a bad history of getting caught, the US not so much. But As US Cycling has shown, US athletes can be prolific dopers without giving as much as a thought about actually getting caught. But of course the moral fabric of our beloved, and suddenly fast distance runners are a cut above those other Americans.

Is it just coincidental that the US cyclist who doped most famously is closely linked to both Nike and Alberto Salazar??

NIKE don't have any concern about anti-doping that i'm aware of apart from pr or or minimizing bad publicity

they haven't a good record at all

and no suprise at their involvement with LA

don't know about al sal himself

foreign son. wrote:

Those countries have a bad history of getting caught, the US not so much.

Wow do you really believe that? US have a bad, bad history.

not as bad as N africa and russia

but bad also yes of course

iwonder wrote:

not as bad as N africa and russia

but bad also yes of course

I am unaware of the national governing body or the Olympic committee of any of the N. African countries or Russia systematically covering up positive tests and alerting athletes, but maybe they did.

RUSADA bustin people all over the place

but pretty much everyone from morocco algeria russia dopes

and yes US doping got covered up in the past

but they got some clean athletes

did you that prelim....must be nice to find your athletic prowess at 31, she looks to be in a different league now!..WOW

That guy who mentioned if Treniere was a white girl that this thread would be deleted had a point. I see his comments have been deleted when he talks about the admins and racism. Interesting to see this on here.

Bump

She's 31. And I think many people will be hanging their heads come tomorrow.

Geelong Runner wrote:

A 32 year old suddenly starts running PR's 7 years after her last, and attributes it to changing coach, improving form and weight training. Shouldnt the board be all over this asking the obvious questions?

Montesquieu wrote:

She's 31. And I think many people will be hanging their heads come tomorrow.

Not really. Either she avoided a drug test or something or she did have an injury and didn't report it in time to give Sarah Brown a decent shot at replacing her. Either way comes down to the lack of integrity we've come to expect from people from Oregon.

But with or without an injury, let's say this person was Russian, Turkish, or Moroccan:

31 years old

7 year PR

improvement after being a multiple national champion previously

5 second improvement in one year

I know what Sprintgeezer would say if she was a sprinter.

The whole thing IS suspicious, injury or no injury.

Geelong Runner wrote:

A 32 year old suddenly starts running PR's 7 years after her last, and attributes it to changing coach, improving form and weight training. Shouldnt the board be all over this asking the obvious questions?

Are you serious? That's all this board has been talking about. There are tons of "questions being asked." Have you been reading any of the threads about this?

Montesquieu wrote:

She's 31. And I think many people will be hanging their heads come tomorrow.

Tomorrow in the USA perhaps. But it's after 8:00 am Friday morning in Moscow. If Moser is going to make some statement about dropping out due to injury or whatever, there is no need to wait until tomorrow.

"Not really." Well, "really" she is thirty-one. "Either she avoided a drug test or something"--or something: brilliant, simply brilliant. "The lack of integrity we've come to expect from people from Oregon"--which people, do tell? All of them? All runners? The NOP runners? Well, whoever they are, what breaches of integrity can you specifically tell us about. But here's your point: without knowing any of the facts whatsoever, you believe yourself justified to conclude that Moser lacks integrity. What an arrogant and pretentious jackass you are. Here's a suggestion: let's wait to learn why she actually withdraw, for then we might be in a position to assess any culpability she might or might not have. On a related note, people really pay you to coach. The world is an amazing place.

coach d wrote:

Montesquieu wrote:

She's 31. And I think many people will be hanging their heads come tomorrow.

Not really. Either she avoided a drug test or something or she did have an injury and didn't report it in time to give Sarah Brown a decent shot at replacing her. Either way comes down to the lack of integrity we've come to expect from people from Oregon.

But with or without an injury, let's say this person was Russian, Turkish, or Moroccan:

31 years old

7 year PR

improvement after being a multiple national champion previously

5 second improvement in one year

I know what Sprintgeezer would say if she was a sprinter.

The whole thing IS suspicious, injury or no injury.