Bolt Explodes With 19.7 200; Believes Sub 43 400 is Possible!

suzyncoke wrote:

Bolt ran 19.19 in late(r) 2009, and 19.56 early in 2010, and still couldn't touch Johnson's 300m WR. When/if Bolt can run 30.5ish for 300m, then maybe, just maybe, he can be considered possibly in the neighborhood of 43-flat or under....until then, this is all just a pipe dream.

Do you know that MJ's 30.85 300m WR was on Pretoria? (4500ft)

Bolt ran 30.97 at sea level!!!

Try to convert both times and come back to the topic with a better argument.

Reporting Live from Oslo wrote:

That would be massive if he can do it - "One small step for man, One giant leap for mankind".

Brah that would be like 128 steps at over 3 meters per step. So 128 large steps for a man, but yeah a metaphorical giant leap for mankind

domestic pro: "can they do it on one breath like the 100m, or like swimmers can do the 50m free"

I have always been amazed that swimmers do this on long course 50 free. It's totally different, but amazing. As hard as swimmers are going, they're not exerting the same maximum force as 200m sprinters. They absolutely MUST keep maintenance of form paramount.

suzyncoke: "Bolt's biggest problem is his unbelievable talent....which enables him to train minimally, screw around, party until 4am and eat chicken mcnuggets, and still win championships"

It is also his greatest strength, as far as the 100 and 200 are concerned.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Interesting to learn how he managed to run 9.95 looking out of breath to 19.7 in one week

It's because his natural strengths are inclined to the 200 more than to the 100.

This time is like his 200m WJR, and IMHO there is no reason to suspect that it was aided in any way, if that's what you're getting at.

Look at the 100m in Rome, Bolt held his own with Gatlin in the final part of the race, and might even have started the process of gaining on him. That was the sign that he might be able to do something more significant in the 200m in Oslo.

Ben L. Wrong wrote:

suzyncoke wrote:

Bolt ran 19.19 in late(r) 2009, and 19.56 early in 2010, and still couldn't touch Johnson's 300m WR. When/if Bolt can run 30.5ish for 300m, then maybe, just maybe, he can be considered possibly in the neighborhood of 43-flat or under....until then, this is all just a pipe dream.

Do you know that MJ's 30.85 300m WR was on Pretoria? (4500ft)

Bolt ran 30.97 at sea level!!!

Try to convert both times and come back to the topic with a better argument.

Ha ha...good point.

AND...Bolt was the most talented junior ever at 400.

AND.....watch this:

(and yes I am aware that MJ ran ~ .5 faster on a relay, BUT:

* this is very early season for Bolt

* without any real 400 training

* and he lets up at the end (not just dying, but lets way off when he knows he can't catch the dude)

Do the math. He made up 40m on some guys anchoring a 3:00 relay. Think about it. )

amazing what drugs can do overnight!

goes from out of shape a couple of days ago....to superman!

lol seriously. The biggest fraud of an "athlete" I've ever seen.

Those 400 guys that ran 43.5 were likely hot.

Bolt can't take the heat to get below 44 unless he loses 20lbs, which he won't do.

Even then the 400 favors younger guys. If anyone is breaking 43 its Kirani James, not Bolt.

Ben L. Wrong wrote:

Do you know that MJ's 30.85 300m WR was on Pretoria? (4500ft)

Bolt ran 30.97 at sea level!!!

Try to convert both times and come back to the topic with a better argument.

Fair point on the elevation....so, since my differential equations are little rusty, let's triangulate the math calc with a couple different online sources. Pretoria is at 1,350m and Ostrava (not "sea level") lies at 260m. So, time adjustment for Bolt of 0.15 to 0.20 (?) for a 1,090 meter elevation difference, and assuming wind is not huge factor? (if someone has a more accurate calc or adjustment, throw it out). Which leaves us with:

Bolt vs. Johnson (diff for Bolt)

100m - 9.58 vs. 10.09 (+0.51)

200m - 19.19 vs. 19.32 (+0.13)

300m - 30.80 vs. 30.85 (+0.05ish)

400m - 43.58r vs. 43.18 (-0.40 - relay vs. open - TBD)

Johnson gains ground with each increase in distance. Johnson's 300m "world best" at altitude was also the year after his 400m WR. And Bolt's 300m in Ostrava and his 400m split both a year after his 2 WRs. But now Bolt is 4 years past his WRs. I don't see him getting anywhere close to the 400m, even if he decides to go for it and train specifically for it.

Sprintgeezer is right....his talent is his biggest strength, and it serves him well (or he gets by on it) over 100 and 200, but his lack of discipline make it a sure thing that he'll never get under 43, maybe not even under 44.

Although I would love to proven wrong on this one by Bolt himself. Thoughts?

"Wake me up when he runs 45 flat..."

What a stupid statement. He ran 45.low at 16 years old!! And now that his 200 has improved a FULL SECOND, you think he would struggle to break 45.0? That is just absolutely asinine. Sure, his training is sprint-geared now, but it really doesn't matter. If you run 45.low as a teenager and then take a whole second off of your 200, you're a completely superior runner. You seriously think this guy would have any problem getting back to his 16 year old form, or greatly surpassing it?

In 2009, Bolt could have taken 6 weeks to do some strength work and he would have been threatening the 400 record. He splits 43.5 in freaking March or April with ZERO focus on the event and you guys are still doubters. Ridiculous.

If he ran 45.0 recently, then you'd be a believer. But he runs 45.low when he was SIXTEEN, and you doubt his ability to move up. Unbelievably stupid.

RuKiddingMe!! wrote:

amazing what drugs can do overnight!

goes from out of shape a couple of days ago....to superman!

I'm not going to say Bolt is not on drugs, but this 19.79 certainly doesn't prove it either way. It's not a vastly superior performance compared to his 9.95 last week. The big difference this time is that he didn't have any competition and won easily.

Also, I believe Bolt has sub-43 potential. He has 19.19 speed in the 200, and he ran 45s as a 16 year old. If he focused on the 400, I could see it.

STOP THIS NONSENSE!!

1 43.87 Steve Lewis

2 44.36 Kirani James

3 44.45 Luguelín Santos

4 44.66 Hamdan Odha Al-Bishi

4 44.66 LaShawn Merritt

WHERE IS BOLT ON THIS LIST? He is not in the top 25 on the Junior list.

1 45.14 Obea Moore

2 45.15 Riaan Dempers

3 45.17 William Reed

4 45.22 Nagmeldin Ali Abubakr

5 45.24 Kirani James6 45.35 Usain Bolt

6 45.35 Usain Bolt

He is the 6TH fastest ever as a YOUTH.

BOLT DID NOT SPLIT 43.8!! That split was inaccurate, and I still don't know why that info is still going around. He split 44.2/3

He probably missed his opportunity but I think he had the ability to go under 43 if he moved to the 400 in 2010.

His time as a 400 runner was before his breakthrough and physical maturity.

He was 20/21 at the time.

Michael Johnson just had that one race under 19.66.

Butch Reynolds never broke 20.

Bolt is built for the 400.

Skyart wrote:

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Ha ha...good point.

AND...Bolt was the most talented junior ever at 400.

AND.....watch this:

STOP THIS NONSENSE!!

1 43.87 Steve Lewis

2 44.36 Kirani James

3 44.45 Luguelín Santos

4 44.66 Hamdan Odha Al-Bishi

4 44.66 LaShawn Merritt

WHERE IS BOLT ON THIS LIST? He is not in the top 25 on the Junior list.

I said "TALENTED".

THis is based on his time as a 15/16 y.o., and his 200 times (showing even more potential.) he also ran an OFFICIAL 44.4 relay split at age 17.

I still think he was the most "TALENTED" junior 400 prospect ever. He just chose to stop focusing on the 400.

Comprende?

I do not comprehend how you think the time he ran as a youth makes him the most "talented" junior ever. Also his 200m times mean nothing. He ran sub 20 and 45.35 at the same time, so what? How does that time show he had more potential? MJ ran 19.32, guess he could have been a 42.5 guy following that logic. Or better yet, Kirani has no potential because he only ran 21.05 as a youth.

If you think he had the potential to be, then that is different, but at the same time I wouldn't put him ahead of guys like Kirani, Santos, and Merritt, especially since Bolt matured faster than most people (6'5 at 15 years old...)

Perhaps he could have if he had worked on it when he was in 200m world record shape. But, he would not have been able to run 9.58 at the same time. The time and effort to train for the 400m would certainly take away from his 100. There is a reason why the best 100/200 athletes in history usually didn't even run a leg on their nation's 4x4. And, when they did run a 400m, it was during the strength phase of their training. Allison Felix is the only athlete who I can think of who routinely contest all 3 sprints.

Having said that, I still think Bolt could be a great 400m runner if he decided to seriously train for it, but you can't get slower each year in your primary events and think you are going to set records in a new event. The 400m is a young man's event, it is not like moving up from the 10K to the marathon.

A.

training through or just cruising. mostly he was taking the payday sharpening up for the important races just like he said.

I saw the 100 and figured right away he's 19.7 shape at least.

What other goal would come to mind for the WR holder and 100/200 and a background in the 400?

WR and 43 of course.

domestic pro wrote:

are 200m runners breathing during the race?

Are you kidding? You are kidding, right? Please tell me you don't actually believe 200m runners don't take a breath for their race. Even 100m runners take 3-5 breaths. How is it that so many people on this board are so clueless?