I would tell you but you wouldn't believe in it.
I would tell you but you wouldn't believe in it.
Nihilists! Fck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of national socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos.
GenericID wrote:
Wrong - apathy (which is a feature of the nihilistic malaise) simply implies that, because the world is without inherent meaning, the OP doesn't care about religion, etc. Since the OP espouses a belief (he claims not to believe in any religion -which in itself is a belief system) he is not apathetic.
A person who is apathetic would also not believe in any religion.
Bad Wigins wrote:
First you describe skepticism, and then you switch to nihilism.
Make up your mind. Do you really not believe anything, or do you believe "the world doesn't have any inherent value," etc?
As with most European-type philosophies, both skepticism and nihilism dig themselves into a Cartesian hole of self-professed ignorance, and then proclaim the discovery of some guiding principle that reveals the world to them.
And you believe in?
And your point is?
GenericID wrote:
Not nihilism, which is the denial of inherent meaning, not the denial of existence (moral nihilism doesn't deny the existence of morality, it just claims that morality is not inherent and is therefore abstractly derived).
You may be thinking of solipsism, but since you focussed on religious belief in your post, you are probably thinking of skepticism.
How could anyone argue against the fact that morality is not inherent and is abstractly derived?
Even the most basic morals have an asterisk beside them.
You shouldn't kill* but war is OK, self defense is OK,
You shouldn't steal* but if the choice is starving and stealing- you steal.
You shouldn't lie.*but none of us tell 100% of the truth ALL the time. Even if it's a "white lie" to protect someone's feelings.
Flagpole wrote:
GenericID wrote:Wrong - apathy (which is a feature of the nihilistic malaise) simply implies that, because the world is without inherent meaning, the OP doesn't care about religion, etc. Since the OP espouses a belief (he claims not to believe in any religion -which in itself is a belief system) he is not apathetic.
A person who is apathetic would also not believe in any religion.
I'd think someone is apathetic about religion as meaning that they agree on the basic tenets of it, they just arent going to be an active member of the church or do anything about it.
That's different than not agreeing with what the religion supposedly stands for.
Perhaps read some Plato - he explains the inherent morality argument pretty well.
You are using apathetic in the non-technical sense. Apathy has a discrete meaning in philosophy.
Mental illness.
Randy Oldman wrote:
Mental illness.
Believing that an old man that lives in the sky watches our every move should be considered a mental illness. I'd the OP has a much firmer grip on reality than that.
rocknrollah wrote:
I would agree with a lot of what you say, but I do think there is Right and Wrong. Do I think you get punished after you die for doing "wrong"- no. But basic things like stealing, killing, and lying are wrong.
They are wrong because doing so hurts the social order and doesnt allow the group/society to get beyond the most rudimentary meaning of "civilization", for example see Haiti or just about any country in Africa.
Yeah, but where do you get this idea that "social order" is something morally right? I care about social order, but only to the degree that it affects me. I like that there's social order in my nation because it makes it easier for me to live an enjoyable life. Do I care about people shooting each other with AK-47's in Africa? No, I'm completely indifferent about it.
Spiral out, keep going wrote:
[quote]rocknrollah wrote:
Yeah, but where do you get this idea that "social order" is something morally right? I care about social order, but only to the degree that it affects me. I like that there's social order in my nation because it makes it easier for me to live an enjoyable life. Do I care about people shooting each other with AK-47's in Africa? No, I'm completely indifferent about it.
Yeah, i was thinking "small social order". Meaning that if everyone in the village agrees to not steal each other's stuff or murder each other it makes life easier for all of us.
I dont care about people dying in Africa either.
You get into the ideas of a social compact. What IS "your" property? What makes something "yours"? etc.. Generally this your effort or labor. i.e. I chop down trees stack them into a log house- it's mine. To come and kick me out of it would be breaking that social contract.
Think about if you were in a grocery store and someone came and started taking items out of your cart. The food isn't "yours", you haven't paid for it yet- but you did put in the effort to sort through and pick out the various items. so the labor has made them "yours".
"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
2 Corinthians 12:9
nihilism = arrogant ignorance
Nihilism is the desire to negate (destroy) morality and values, not lack of belief in those things. It is the worst possible philosophy. Kant is history's greatest nihilist.
My name is Lance = ignorant arrogance
aPhilosopher wrote:
Nihilism is the desire to negate (destroy) morality and values, not lack of belief in those things.
No it isn't.
Passages wrote:
"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
2 Corinthians 12:9
"Do you happen to know what the penalty is for shooting a fricaseeing rabbit without a fricaseeing rabbit license?" - Bugs Bunny
Barakus Obama wrote:
And you believe in?
fiber is bad
eat mostly meat
barbarians are good
civilization is bad
eat magnesium
a quick forum search would have revealed all these wise things that I believe.