Thoughts about Alberto Salazar and Mary Cain???

Opinion!!!! wrote:

If we are discussing times what did you run?

What the heck do my times have to do with your argument that not having AlSal by your side is what's preventing you from being world class?

Sounds like your ego is hurt, and all you have left is "but... but.... I'm faster than you, so na na na boo boo."

Sorry, man. Good luck with everything.

Either this is ironic (a political fable), in which case how in the world is everyone fooled by this, or, if not, it is excruciatingly dumb, in which case why are so many responded to it.

S'not fair. Boo hoo! I want my mommy.

"Not only is she about to take away their chance at a scholarship, but she is waving her entitlement in other faces."

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Point 1. Many Bronxville elite m/dist girls go to an Ivy. No athletic scholarships there. A Bronxville senior will be running (and studying) at Yale this fall. She got there on merit, regardless of what MC has done and will do.

Point 2. MC is not in the least an entitlement kid. Huge talent and a quick study, plus hard work plus a will to excel is what sets Mary apart. She never joined a track club prior to running for Bronxville. In NYS parents get their kids into track clubs by the time they are in kindergarten. Salazar recruited Cain based on merit. She was "entitled" to nothing. Cain's results got her on Bronxville's track team when she was in seventh grade. Hard to fathom for an outsider, but many girls on the team run for Bronxville High School for six years. What Mary has done is an example of what makes track a meritocracy.

Opinions are fine -- if based on reality.

Pretty sure Phil Knight has people working on this already.

Yum Yum wrote:

We should clone Salazar and increase his growth rate in a laboratory and send all the mini Salazar's STAT all over the country to every high school.

Fact - Salazar isn't charging the Cain's for coaching Mary.

Now this action by a noted UO alum and former coaching staff member - volunteer coach under Rupp disqualifies her from ever attending Oregon. Not that she would want to considering her academics. Oregon is right there with Arkansas for academic inexcellence. My bet is she turns pro in the calendar year.

He could start coaching academy like the tennis people in Florida and coach dozen or so talented HS runners but right now he has caught lightning in a bottle with Cain and has shown no desire to coach other prepsters.

That said Cain has risen fast and that will only make the fall that much harder and her efforts to return to be a challenge as well.

Opinion!!!! wrote:

easy weeks wrote:

You generally need to appear to be a possible future world-beater to gain access to (and the interest of) top coaches. Your 9:20 isn't all that remarkable (doesn't even convert to a sub-15), and to say "I could have run xx time if..." is simply conjecture and sour grapes.

9:20 is not as fast as I ran during my career as a runner. In college with real coaching I was fortunate to find my real events and managed bests of 800m 1:48 and 1500m 3:44. My best 5000m was 14:16 as well.

Max, is that you?

#1 Truth teller wrote:

Fact - Salazar isn't charging the Cain's for coaching Mary.

I have read articles that state exactly the opposite, including one in the New York Times with quotes from Cain's parents (not directly related to the costs, but it is clear the author actually talked to the Cains for the story). What is your source for the fact that they aren't paying him anything?

If I find out that Mr. Salazar has been giving our little girl thyroid medicine...well, there would be blood.

Herman Cain: "Niiiine Niiiine Niiiine!"

Jeopardy contestant: "How many calories does Mary Cain consume each day?"

If you think about it, Salazar is taking a considerable risk given the accomplishments Mary Cain already has (and not of his making, as he just said), and the expectations that her growing fan base has for her. If she gets injured, or if she starts running 4:15 or 2:03, it will be his fault, even if it isn't.

To this date, Salazar's role has been to manage her schedule of pro-level track meets, and there's no doubt he's been doing a pretty good job of that. A monotonic succession of improving performances.

As for the hands-on coaching responsibility, that doesn't start until this summer.

Opinion!!!! wrote:

When I was in high school I had to make do with a coach that did not know anything about running I still managed a sub 9:20 3200m off of the 15 miles a week he allowed me to run. He micromanaged the crap out of our team to make sure we were not sliding in extra miles.

So let's get this straight. You had a bad coach in high school who prevented you from doing the "good" training that would have made you a star. Instead of quitting the high school team so that you could train properly, you stuck with the team, thus losing your chance of being a legend like Mary Cain.

Similarly, Mary Cain wanted to train in a way that wouldn't have been possible with her high school team. Unlike you, instead of whining about it, she quit her high school team and started training with another coach.

The obvious question is: if your high school coach was holding you back, why didn't you quit your high school team just like Mary Cain did? (The obvious answer is that you're a moron, but I figured it was worth asking the question anyway.)

I'm sorry to say, Mr. Opinion!!!!, that your post is one of the dumbest and most immature ones I've recently seen on these hallowed boards. But don't worry. I'm sure others will soon rise to the occasion.

in a meritocracy, she's supposed to be attracting the best coaches. other athletes shouldn't be crying foul but should instead work harder or learn new training techniques.

this was the kind of situation i was thinking about with the young japanese sprinter, kiryu. he possibly can improve even further with an international coach.