Mary Cain and Salazar

just to nail down the point:

Bronxville is an affluent village within the town of Eastchester, New York, in the United States. It is a suburb of New York City, located approximately 15 miles (24 km) north of midtown Manhattan[2] in southern Westchester County. At the 2010 census, Bronxville had a population of 6,323.[3] It currently ranks 20th in the US on a list of the highest income places in the United States and is listed in Forbes list of "America's Most Expensive ZIP Codes".[4]

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agip wrote:

just to nail down the point:

Bronxville is an affluent village within the town of Eastchester, New York, in the United States. It is a suburb of New York City, located approximately 15 miles (24 km) north of midtown Manhattan[2] in southern Westchester County. At the 2010 census, Bronxville had a population of 6,323.[3] It currently ranks 20th in the US on a list of the highest income places in the United States and is listed in Forbes list of "America's Most Expensive ZIP Codes".[4]

agip wrote:

nice thought, but a bronxville girl who can run a 430 mile ain't going to Oregon. She'll be at Stanford or Princeton.

If she gets A's at Oregon and is an Olympian, she'll be able to go to grad school wherever she wants after she retires.

I think this is a positive development. Elite high school tennis players, swimmers, gymnasts, soccer players, hockey players, etc., give up high school competition all the time, because they need better coaching and competition. I see it as a good thing that elite high school runners are stepping up in competition and taking a long-term view, instead of winning high school races by a minute-and-a-half.

fly a kite wrote:

eligibility???? wrote:

As per NYS rules, you must train with your team to be eligible to compete. How can Mary be running with a Bronxville uniform?

Typical, lets just have rules to hold kids back. No wonder there are so few Rupp-type runners in the US these days.

Is there a correlation between the decline of U.S. running and the rise of the NHFS? The high correlation seems so readily apparent. Lots of good in what the NHFS has done for HS sports, but did it also sow the seeds of destruction for elite running in the U.S.? NHFS gave tremendous power to coaches, left no alternatives for athletes, and excluded many classes of runners from the meets. Parallels with the rise of teacher unions and the decline of the public school system. Would not be surprised to learn this was the biggest factor for the decimation of U.S. distance running over the last 3 decades. Love to see a study.

Here is a 2005 story on Rupp and Chock with Salazar.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/summer/2005-02-11-distance-running-cover_x.htm

Here is Chock's blog.

http://caitchock.com/

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nice thought, but a bronxville girl who can run a 430 mile ain't going to Oregon. She'll be at Stanford or Princeton.[/quote]

Agreed. Affluent, well-educated parents will be looking to ensure she has Ivy level education. If she has brains, Princeton, the top academic / athletic ivy, will be happy to have her. If she needs the academic boost, Stanford will be happy to have her, too.

That's the way the world works, folks.

Either way, she'll be fine, though the convenience of Princeton to her Westchester roots may seal the deal for Princeton.

I would bet Stanford, for economic reasons - they can give her a full ride, while an Ivy can't give her an athletic scholarship. Ivies can only give aid based on need. And I suspect she doesn't have much need.

Unless the Cains are massively rich and scholarships don't matter

Plus, Stanford is a better running school than Pton, usually.

Stephen J Bartowski wrote:

Here is Chock's blog.

http://caitchock.com/

Uhhh...wow. Maybe Salazar just couldn't take all that girliness?

Caitlin Chock's blog is very impressive.

agip wrote:

[quote]SOCALXC wrote:

nice thought, but a bronxville girl who can run a 430 mile ain't going to Oregon. She'll be at Stanford or Princeton.

Depends on how big the Nike check is that Alberto has in his pocket. Oregon is known to the NCAA to have payed flat out bribes to recruit football players, and there's the recently alleged bribe to UCI to protect Lance to keep in mind.

Of course, a girl who can run a 4:30 mile can go straight to the pros and Alberto might just be trying to get her before John Cook does.

Is there a correlation between the decline of U.S. running and the rise of the NHFS? The high correlation seems so readily apparent. Lots of good in what the NHFS has done for HS sports, but did it also sow the seeds of destruction for elite running in the U.S.? NHFS gave tremendous power to coaches, left no alternatives for athletes, and excluded many classes of runners from the meets. Parallels with the rise of teacher unions and the decline of the public school system. Would not be surprised to learn this was the biggest factor for the decimation of U.S. distance running over the last 3 decades. Love to see a study.

The real problem is the mindset that T&F is a "team" event, when it is not, other than relays.

Running is an individual sport and should be treated as such.

Quality athletes should not be ridden like mules for points so some stupid coach can put up a stupid banner in his stupid field house.

kertwang wrote:

I would bet Stanford, for economic reasons - they can give her a full ride, while an Ivy can't give her an athletic scholarship. Ivies can only give aid based on need. And I suspect she doesn't have much need.

Unless the Cains are massively rich and scholarships don't matter

Plus, Stanford is a better running school than Pton, usually.

If she chooses Stanford over Oregon (assuming she wants to go pro), I would question her intelligence and critical thinking skills

Get her on the Salazar squad. We've seen Alberto coach Rupp over a decade and craft him into an Olympic runner. His short-term jobs aren't as impressive (albeit Farah), so I think Salazar would be a nice recommendation for the long run.

there's little reason this girl couldn't continue training with her male teammates. their a perfect fit when it comes to ability. even though it's not optimal, it's much better than training alone. i don't get it; she runs a 4:30 mile, just like hundreds, if not thousands, of other teenagers. the fact that she's female really doesn't change a whole lot: two legs running running 4 & change. too many of these elite girls think they're somehow "special"--in the sense that they shouldn't train with their "normal" teammates. but their "normal" teammates run just as fast--it's really just manufactured "specialness" that they've concocted in their pretty little heads.

come back to reality, little lady; you're really not that different from your varsity boys teammates.

now, if you were a 4-flat miler, we'd have to find you some "special" training partners. but, as it stands, i'm sure there are a few guys on your team who would be at your side the whole time on your next training run. is that really that bad?

do you know anything about the bronxville hs team? Maybe they don't have a 4:30 boy - most schools don't. or they have just one and having a 1:1 situation wouldn't work for whatever reason. I don't know. But keep in mind you are trying to demean a 10th grader - I mean really.

Sorry all you ivy league maniacs, she can't go to Princeton or any of the schools mentioned. If Salazar is going to coach her she obviously needs to go to school in Portland. Chock enrolled at Portland state when she was in the group.

Professional Athletics or Academics. Something has got to give. Since Salazar has gone to visit her he obviously wants to coach her, not just sign her with Nike and let her go wherever she wants. If she's actually gonna go pro, she will not be involved with any college coaches.

What are Y'al sayin

Any great x/c high school girls who made it big in track as a pro? I am not suggesting there are none. Just do not know.

mary decker. Not a lot more.

Jerome Kopf wrote:

Any great x/c high school girls who made it big in track as a pro? I am not suggesting there are none. Just do not know.