Fastest college runner to not break 10 minutes in high school?

adsfasfds wrote:

B0sl wrote:

Brian Sell was a 10:02 guy, right?

Sell wasn't even that good in COLLEGE. He ran 30:50 for 10k or something. Awesome for an over-10 HS two miler, but not at all indicative of his marathoning prowess. He was a true late bloomer. I think he maxed out at 80 or 90 miles in college. Didn't run 120-150 until a few years out.

Brian ran 28:58 for 10,000m while in school at St. Francis:

Perhaps Dick Buerkle. He went from 4:28 PR in high school to 3:54.93 PR -- a 33 second improvement. He was running over 10:00 for two miles in high school and went on to run 8:26.2 to beat Prefontaine by 7 seconds over two miles in 1974. According to this story below, Roger Bannister went from a high school PR of 4:52 to a career PR of 3:59.4 -- a 52 second improvement.http://villanovarunning.blogspot.com/2010/01/unexpected-world-record-holder.html

2K12 wrote:

Maybe Dick Buerkle?

Liquori wrote:

Perhaps Dick Buerkle. He went from 4:28 PR in high school to 3:54.93 PR -- a 33 second improvement. He was running over 10:00 for two miles in high school and went on to run 8:26.2 to beat Prefontaine by 7 seconds over two miles in 1974.

According to this story below, Roger Bannister went from a high school PR of 4:52 to a career PR of 3:59.4 -- a 52 second improvement.

http://villanovarunning.blogspot.com/2010/01/unexpected-world-record-holder.html

2K12 wrote:

Maybe Dick Buerkle?

The article is quoted correctly, but just a minor correction (of the article) - Bannister ran 3:58.8 later in the season, beating Landy in the process. Although it was not his first race under 4 minutes, and not the world record (since Landy had run faster by that time), he doesn't always get due credit for his real PR.

On a personal note, I have long held it as a goal to run under 4 minutes in the mile, while not having run under 5 minutes in high school. My drop from 5:07 to 4:14ish (so far) is a considerable drop, though admittedly I was hindered by injury in high school.

t.shea wrote:

adsfasfds wrote:

Sell wasn't even that good in COLLEGE. He ran 30:50 for 10k or something. Awesome for an over-10 HS two miler, but not at all indicative of his marathoning prowess. He was a true late bloomer. I think he maxed out at 80 or 90 miles in college. Didn't run 120-150 until a few years out.

Brian ran 28:58 for 10,000m while in school at St. Francis:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stan/sports/m-track/auto_pdf/Sat_Men_Women.pdf

He also ran well over 100 miles/week during his senior year at Saint Francis.

I ran 10:45 in HS (2 mile) and went on to run 14:50 and 24:30 on the roads in grad school......does that count?

Not the same, but a kid that went to my school back in the day ran 4:25 and 2:00 as a senior and ran sub 24:00 at Wisconsin this year. Pretty dang good improvement if you ask me.

troofiness wrote:

Kirk Pfeffer

2;10 and '80 Olympic team

not a doper wrote:

Huh, 80 team was Sandoval, Durden, and Kyle Heffner. Do you mean Heffner?

yes kyle heffner. I always confuse the 2. my bad.

Liam O'Neill ran 4:45 in high school and 3:41 at Haverford, roughly a ~40 second improvement

Off the Grid wrote:

Liam O'Neill ran 4:45 in high school and 3:41 at Haverford, roughly a ~40 second improvement

Don't sell him short! That is at least a 45 second improvement - impressive!

Off the Grid wrote:

Liam O'Neill ran 4:45 in high school and 3:41 at Haverford, roughly a ~40 second improvement

You remind me of a guy who says it's "about 10 o'clock" when it's 9:30.

Off the Grid wrote:

Liam O'Neill ran 4:45 in high school and 3:41 at Haverford, roughly a ~40 second improvement

4:45 mile, and a 3:41 1500. Im bad at math. So at ~46 second improvement

Definitely not the fastest but I went from 9:56 3200 in HS to 14:30 5k in college.

Dylan Ferris would have to be up on the list. Went 3:40 in 1500 and 3:58 in Mile. Was strong 800 runner in HS. Never really ran anything over mile in college but people I have spoke to said he could run a pretty good 2 mile in a practice time trial. His senior year he could barely break 17:00 in 5k of hs.

I ran 2:19/4:51/10:29 in high school, 9:14 in the steeple as a college senior, and eventually 8:58. I used to claim I was the slowest high school runner to ever letter at a major D-1 school. Don't know if it's true, but it certainly impressed the ladies (OK, not really, but it was a fun albeit perhaps dubious claim).

Who besides Darling has run sub-24 this year (a bunch of low-24s, maybe); Darling and Connor were both high school studs?

On the women's side Gwen Coogan (nee Hardesty) did not RUN in high school. She started out running about 9:30s for 3000 and winning DIII 3000 in the mid-1980s. Of course, you go back another decade and a lot of girls did not run in high school and ran fabulous times later.

David Goodman of Western State D2 in Colorado ran around 10:20 in high school and went on to be the D2 national champion as a junior in the steeplechase and run 8:48 as a senior.

How about Scotty Larson from Colorado? He was a mid-10 minute 3200 meter guy in HS, and he played Soccer for Colorado School of Mines as a Freshman in College before walking on at CU as a Sophomore.

for what it's worth, i ran:

hs:

4:15 1600

10:0? 3200

college:

3:42.81 1500

8:5? 3200 (team time trial, never ran a 5k, can't remember any x-c times, but they're sure to be slow)

open:

3:37.94 1500

13:52.?? 5000

boy, i hope i win this contest...