Wonder if he’s still on it - he’s still in great shape for a 41 year old.
Perhaps it’s marketable?
Wonder if he’s still on it - he’s still in great shape for a 41 year old.
Perhaps it’s marketable?
How about Park City....? Who trains up there...? Think there might also be Alto-tents involved...? The Truth Is Out There...
O3 wrote:
EPO wasn't the key for Lance.
It was a method superior to what his team mates were using.
He had to beat the WHOLE peloton.
His method is untraceable, and it is not what his team mates were led to believe.
So, are you inferring that he _WAS_, and perhaps _STILL IS_, using an as-yet undetectable substance?
Trollist wrote:
BGuyJMilleniumXII wrote:Which begs the question:
Son of a bitch!
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That's what you get for trolling my haile marathon thread!
The Master Troll wrote:
Trollist wrote:Son of a bitch!
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That's what you get for trolling my haile marathon thread!
The two of you need to read this post and learn what "begging the question" means.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3090190BGuyJMilleniumXII wrote:
I read through the evidence and one particular part mentioned that EPO testing is done on ratio values, and that altitude training and oxygen tents can be used to increase natural EPO production so that the ratio of synthetic to natural is within range to appear normal.
Which begs the question: How many runners are using altitude training/altitude tents and EPO in conjunction knowing that it can thwart the EPO readings?
Here is that telling section:
Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-lance-armstrong-never-tested-positive-2012-10""Dr. Ferrari recognized that the EPO testing method works through separating and measuring the quantity (known as “intensity”) of various types of EPO and comparing the ratio of EPO bands in what is known as the “basic” region (where the bands tend to be caused by the administration of synthetic EPO) to bands in the acidic region (where the bands are naturally produced). However, because the test operates by measuring a ratio, the test can be fooled to a degree by increasing the amount of EPO in the acidic region (i.e., those produced naturally),which can be accomplished by stimulating natural production of EPO either through going to altitude or by sleeping in an altitude tent (also known as a “hypoxic chamber”). Dr. Ferrari advised the use of hypoxic chambers to reduce the effectiveness of the EPO test in detecting the use of synthetic EPO. Regular training at altitude (such as at St. Moritz, Tenerife or Aspen) would achieve a similar result.""
Nothing new! I have been saying this for a long time: these tents are just a cover up for the EPO use.
Galen Rupps doping passport wrote:
Alberto Salazar has Dr Stray Gunderson, one of the world's foremost EPO experts, on his payroll. Doesn't take much to figure out why.
Didnt want to agree with you. But, these days it seems like anyone with strong ties to nike is suspect. Really very sad that a company with the history that nike is supporting so many of the worst offenders
The biggest Duhhh. Lance = Nike, AlSal = Nike, Rupp = Nike, Goucher = Nike. Let's not be naive. The key observation I came away from Tyler Hamilton's book with is that professionalism in endurance sport is synonymous with drug use. Even if what Kara Goucher is doing isn't on the banned list, all of us would call it cheating. The doping research and resource (Nike$) is so far ahead of the testing as to be laughable. As Hamilton says, "These are drug tests, they're IQ tests.". You have to be really dumb to get caught.
O3 wrote:
EPO wasn't the key for Lance.
It was a method superior to what his team mates were using.
He had to beat the WHOLE peloton.
His method is untraceable, and it is not what his team mates were led to believe.
If you're asking why he beat his teammates, well
(a) that's cycling. He's the boss, they ride for him, let him slipstream, fetch him food and drinks (and the occasional foil-wrapped pill, according to the Reasoned Decision), and try to deliver him into key points of each race fresher than the rivals...
(b) read Hamilton's book. They carefully planned who got what drugs and when. That stuff was expensive and there was a big risk of getting caught so they didn't dope every rider every day.