Tor, leave the woman out of this. Your hunch is just an opinion.
You know believe that two women who knew Armstrong have each made contradictory statements: the public ones I posted, and the imaginary ones you believe they gave the USADA.
Again, leave the two women out your attacks on Armstrong.
This quote is from 2005. What she might say today might be very different indeed.
incredibility wrote:
“I don’t think the French people are on a mission to strip him of his integrity,” Crow said. “It’s just a handful of people pursuing that theory, and it’s tiresome and a nuisance, and it will eventually end, I hope.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/sheryl-crow-interviewed-federal-agents-part-doping-investigation-lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-winning-teams-article-1.1149231^ Previously posted.
What is your issue with "the two women?" As you said, it is simply my opinion, sort of the point of message board forums: discussion, which often includes opinions.
BTW, I'm not attacking Armstrong, just speculating that "the two women" have testified against Lance.
Lance dumped Kirstin when she complaint by email to friends about his extramarital activities. He found it out by installing a keylogger and spying on hos wife.
He also shagged "disgruntled" Tyler Hamilton's exwife, just as a reminder of the pecking order.
Typos courtesy of my notsosmartphone.
High Wire wrote: What she might say today might be very different indeed.
Calling her a liar, not to bright on your part.
Oh No: "We are Combatting Spam..." Rojo is posting to this thread.
High Wire wrote: What she might say today might be very different indeed.
Calling her a liar, not to bright on your part.
Oh No: "We are Combatting Spam..." Mods are making sure this thread moves in the "right" direction.
Tor,
You don't like the quotes. They don't match up with you want the two ladies to claim. Their statements do not claim they know anything about PED use. That after all the dislike they might have for Armstrong.
Armstrong's downfall will have to come from others. That is all.
If Armstrong was "shagging" Hamilton's wife that would benefit the defense for Armstrong. If you don't understand why, I can't help you.
incredibility wrote:
Tor,
You don't like the quotes. They don't match up with you want the two ladies to claim. Their statements do not claim they know anything about PED use. That after all the dislike they might have for Armstrong.
Armstrong's downfall will have to come from others. That is all.
Oh, I have no problem with the quotes, but I think you're assuming too much from them.
Lance's downfall is coming from a number of people and I'm simply speculating that the two ladies are playing a roll in that downfall. Why is my opinion so hard for you to grasp/accept?
incredibility wrote:
“I don’t think the French people are on a mission to strip him of his integrity,” Crow said. “It’s just a handful of people pursuing that theory, and it’s tiresome and a nuisance, and it will eventually end, I hope.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/sheryl-crow-interviewed-federal-agents-part-doping-investigation-lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-winning-teams-article-1.1149231^ Previously posted.
That's great, but that is something she told the French press six years ago while they were still dating. That is not necessarily the same thing she would tell federal investigators under oath at this point.
cffejphuddrv wrote:
Lance dumped Kirstin when she complaint by email to friends about his extramarital activities. He found it out by installing a keylogger and spying on hos wife.
He also shagged "disgruntled" Tyler Hamilton's exwife, just as a reminder of the pecking order.
Do you have a source for either of those two claims?
Tor wrote:
Oh, I have no problem with the quotes, but I think you're assuming too much from them.
Lance's downfall is coming from a number of people and I'm simply speculating that the two ladies are playing a roll in that downfall. Why is my opinion so hard for you to grasp/accept?
Why is your opinion so important? You seem somewhat obsessed with these LA threads. He won the Tour 7 times. How much of an a$$hole he is, is irrelevant.
It's pointless to speculate about what specific witnesses have said or might say. And it's flat out stupid to say that any witness that incriminates Armstrong has some sort of grudge against him, unless you think they should perjure themselves just because.
If investigators asked Sheryl Crow some questions I would expect her to tell the truth, no matter what. Same with Hincapie, Leipheimer, etc. That doesn't mean they want to see Lance go down it just means they were being questioned and didn't want to get themselves into trouble by lying.
Lance forfeited his case because he doesn't want the testimony to become a matter of public record. He knows the truth and he knows the witnesses were going to tell it. One or two witnesses can be discredited, but when it's dozens of witnesses corroborating the same story you're done. Only the most radical of fanboys still cling to the delusion of a grand conspiracy.
pianoforte wrote:
Tor wrote:Oh, I have no problem with the quotes, but I think you're assuming too much from them.
Lance's downfall is coming from a number of people and I'm simply speculating that the two ladies are playing a roll in that downfall. Why is my opinion so hard for you to grasp/accept?
Why is your opinion so important? You seem somewhat obsessed with these LA threads. He won the Tour 7 times. How much of an a$$hole he is, is irrelevant.
Please find one post where I've made reference to Lance being an a**hole or where I've claimed that my opinion was important. Is that the best argument remaining for Lance's supporters?
We can debate the eventual outcome until we're blue in the face, but this is a huge story and, yes, I've spent too much time posting on letsrun this week. Oh well, I've enjoyed the discussion, just surprised by the number of apologists who continue to ignore mountains of allegations from many different sources.
I hope you are equally concerned with the obsession of the Lance fanboys continuing to post on this site or does "obsessed" only apply to those that have a different opinion than you?
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12781/Feature-France-television-alleges-positives-for-Armstrong-retests-also-that-ex-wife-testified.aspxincredibility wrote:
Tor,
You don't like the quotes. They don't match up with you want the two ladies to claim. Their statements do not claim they know anything about PED use. That after all the dislike they might have for Armstrong.
Armstrong's downfall will have to come from others. That is all.
Those pesky French.
Tor = Obsessive Individual
"Federal agents interviewed the Grammy-winning musician [Crow] in late 2011, just before a grand jury probe into Armstrong and his associates abruptly ended without any criminal charges being handed up."
The government dropped the case AFTER interviewing Sheryl Crow.
It gets better:
http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.abc.es/20120903/estilo-gente/abci-sheryl-crow-interrogada-caso-201209031402.htmlSheryl Crow, suspected of supplying doping products to Lance Armstrong
He wasn't strong enough to be her man.
For the Lance lovers that say he was already investigated
by the feds and they dropped the case, that is not the
whole story. They were investigating Lancehole for
financial crimes, not doping.