Why doesn't he work on his speed? Its quite obvious thats what hes lacking.
Why doesn't he work on his speed? Its quite obvious thats what hes lacking.
Why isn't he in London right now training?
You did notice the date this was filmed, right? May 24th.
Ryan has been very candid with his physical ailments from November until mid - June. This may help quantify his races at healthy kidney and RnR San Diego...two bad workouts.
12 miles @ 4:55 while still battling plantar issues and some corresponding side effects, coupled with the speed training he is reportedly doing with his brother in flagstaff seem like a best case scenario for hall, given his "struggles" since November.
The Animal Within wrote:
Have you run a marathon? Ever won one? Hall is top ten, not first in the world. If he drops a 4:30 and blows up you'll crucify him for bad tactics.
Who are you responding to? You quoted two people. My post was not meant to insult Hall. It was only mentioning his past racing tactics.
ecin wrote:
BUT he said he won't be wearing a watch in London. So, there shall be no watch glancing.
I admit I didn't watch the video. But this should make the race more interesting. I've always wanted to see him just try and stay in the mix and see what happens.
The Animal Within wrote:
brogan1 wrote:He will likely respond the same way he has for all his past marathons. He will glance at his watch and decide to keep his current pace.
Have you run a marathon? Ever won one? Hall is top ten, not first in the world. If he drops a 4:30 and blows up you'll crucify him for bad tactics.
Hall maybe top 10 in the US but he couldn't even sniff the top 10 in Kenya let alone the world. Keep dreaming. He'll never match his London PR. And don't gimme that crap about Boston please. Sit back and watch him get eaten alive at the Olympics.
I thought Hall was going to go for 4:40 pace in London?
ecin wrote:
I admit I didn't watch the video. But this should make the race more interesting. I've always wanted to see him just try and stay in the mix and see what happens.
I agree. Should make it interesting without complete reliance on his watch. It was stated in the long article on him posted a few days ago.
Wow, a lot of bulls**t on this thread. Surprise. Here's to Ryan Hall going into the Olympic Marathon ready for anything.
A note about the detractors' comments regarding speed training: Hall mentioned incorporating a greater density of "speed" work/track work in this build-up, along with the 12M tempos etc.
Hall's chances of a Top 10 finish are better than Mebs.
The chance for a podium finish though is much higher for Meb.
You risk something, you can lose. You don't risk anything, you can't win. It's as simple as that.
Ryan is going to be a couple minutes back of the racing for medals and top spots
afterwards he will tell us he's not disappointed and/or needs to do more speed and change of pace stuff -
top 10 since they should have cool weather, should all be under 2:09 - is Hall in 2:09 shape? I can see Meb or Abdi in there more than Hall, if Abdi is healthy
"And when the last kenyan goes with the surge, mind to thyself, and thyself will stick to thy's pace" Ryan-2:04
Was done in Redding CA- not at altitude...
old runner dudee wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmF5x6ZeuRw12 mi tempo at 4:55
Not too shabby.
the average male runner wrote:
Ok, Ryan is fit and can run a steady, good pace for the marathon from all these 8-15 mile tempo runs he's always talking about. But what about when the Africans drop a sub 4:30 mile, or a mid 14 5k? How is Ryan going to respond?
That question has been asked more too often and we haven seen what Ryan does when that happens.
Normally Ryan would wait for the leaders to come back to him or pray for a sign. The only exception was in Boston where the sign was probably go go go and he ended up with a 2:04.
With all said he is still the best American Marathoner, so give him your full respect.
Ryan makes these kind of statements about his workouts before every marathon he runs. Call me skeptical.
I hope he has a great race in London.
No I watched the video. It was in Redding CA on May 24th.
jjjjjjj wrote:
Liberty Park wrote:I'm a huge ryan hall fan. But these videos don't mean much.
Its like watching videos of Fidel Castro or Kim Jung Il.
Really there is no way to replicate a marathon, but there could other workouts which are better indicators.
18 - 22 @ 90-95% MP is one, 12 - 15 @ MP is another.
Also his main issue is speed. So running less than MP doesn't mean much. I'd rather see and 8 mile progression at 106% or 6 x mile at 110%.
I hope he's ready, but this video is taken with 2 grains of salt.
This was a 12-15 mile run at MP, factoring in altitude, if this was at Flagstaff. He's done this very same workout at Mammoth or Big Bear numerous times. And every time he says that he should have gone to low altitude to get actual and not converted marathon pace. The legs will have to be moving at 4:43ish pace if it's a hot one, and definitely at 4:30ish pace at a certain point in the second half, for him to keep up, yet the muscles will not be used to that motion. 4:55 he can nail for the whole race but it won't bring contention.
brogan1 wrote:
the average male runner wrote:Ok, Ryan is fit and can run a steady, good pace for the marathon from all these 8-15 mile tempo runs he's always talking about. But what about when the Africans drop a sub 4:30 mile, or a mid 14 5k? How is Ryan going to respond?
He will likely respond the same way he has for all his past marathons. He will glance at his watch and decide to keep his current pace.
Sorry to disappoint you but he's said that he's stopped training with a watch, and during the Olympic race, he won't be wearing one.
I think a lot you are forgetting, or perhaps are not aware of the fact that Ryan has said that in the past he has gone a little crazy with some of his longer tempos but that the 12-15 milers are his bread and butter. It seems to me that he might be trying to contain himself and run controlled rather than going too nuts right now.
Let\'s not forget that in 2008 on an off day Ryan finished 9th at the Olympics. He has said many times that he hates running in the heat. The conditions in London should be anything but blazing (let\'s hope).
When Ryan is on, he\'s ON! It\'s the Olympics, anything can happen. Let\'s just hope there is good marathon coverage!!
jjjjjjj wrote:
Liberty Park wrote:I'm a huge ryan hall fan. But these videos don't mean much.
Its like watching videos of Fidel Castro or Kim Jung Il.
Really there is no way to replicate a marathon, but there could other workouts which are better indicators.
18 - 22 @ 90-95% MP is one, 12 - 15 @ MP is another.
Also his main issue is speed. So running less than MP doesn't mean much. I'd rather see and 8 mile progression at 106% or 6 x mile at 110%.
I hope he's ready, but this video is taken with 2 grains of salt.
This was a 12-15 mile run at MP, factoring in altitude, if this was at Flagstaff. He's done this very same workout at Mammoth or Big Bear numerous times. And every time he says that he should have gone to low altitude to get actual and not converted marathon pace. The legs will have to be moving at 4:43ish pace if it's a hot one, and definitely at 4:30ish pace at a certain point in the second half, for him to keep up, yet the muscles will not be used to that motion. 4:55 he can nail for the whole race but it won't bring contention.
Two things:
1. This was not at altitude. This was at a few hundred feet.
2. 4:55/mile is pace for a 2:09.
3. If this is the best he can do for 12 miles, he has absolutely no chance. Even if this pace is the best he can do for 26.2 miles, he has absolutely no chance.
Aghast wrote:
You have no idea what kind of shape he was in a month ago. You have no idea what kind of shape he is in now. All your speculation and machinations about his race and race plans are ridiculous. I am glad you aren't my coach because you are probably terrible at your job.
TrackCoach wrote:I am a Hall fan and wish him nothing but the best, but I am not buying his fitness claims. For one, you can't make but so much improvement from his recent races, which indicate a little over a month ago, he was in just about the worst shape of his life. Also, the marathon is about having a plan and part of that plan has to be being ready to adapt. Ryan's best races have been when things have went according to plan...adapting is what he has struggled with. If your goal is to run according to what your training says you are capable of, that's ok, but don't discuss the prospects of getting a medal against a half dozen athletes with a faster PR. If your goal is truely to get a medal, you have to take a risk, run beyond your comfort zone and expect to do the unexpected. If the leaders come through the half in 1:03 and you are a minute back...forget about it. Not only are they not coming back to you, they will probably pick it up. -Just keeping it real!
I for one will not critize anyone who blows up in the marathon while going for it.
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You are absolutely right, I don't really know Ryan's race plans and what type of shape he was in a little over a month ago and yes, I am speculating based on his recent race performances. With that said, being that I am not his coach and/or I don't train with him...you tell me what heck else I should be going by?
Btw, I don't officially coach anymore, but I have had the pleasure of coaching athletes that you have read about and watch on TV, which I guess means I was at least decent. Also, there are many other posts you could have responded to that were a lot more critical and speculative than mind.
I am assuming you are either Ryan, Sara, a family member or friend; you have to learn not to take comments and discussions about you personally when it is directly related to running. And, like I said in my OP, I am Ryan fan and wish him the best of luck.
mrningrunner wrote:
On what day during the Olympics is the actual marathon?
Men's marathon is always the last event of the games.