Vent is full of it... I was a member of the Kenyan team in the long sprints ( 400M/IH)for the olympic team a while back.We did some very hardcore distance running ( best guy in the group did a 14.20 in the 5k in the roads. Saying rudisha can't run 13 high in the 5k is just silly!
Well, that is not Ventolin, but, yes, you don't run 1:41.01 unless you have tremendous aerobic ability. Rudisha could likely run 13:50 or so right now. He might need a couple attempts to get used to the pacing, but I'd be surprised if Rudisha doesn't occasionally do something like a tempo run which would be roughly equal to a 15 minute 5000m.
Vento|in^3 wrote:
800 1600 3000 5000
1:40-->3:59-->8:53-->16:40
1:41-->4:03-->9:05-->17:20
On a good day he should be able to run under 17.
I don't understand you Ventolin. Sometimes you seem very credible, but other times like this, I can't take you seriously. You don't think Rudisha could break 4 minutes in the mile?
I'm from LA and have seen both of our olympians from so cal dominate all the local guys in a 5k and run low 14s. Also hear David Krummenacker ran about a 14:15 when he was forced into a 5k
Fat Runner in LA wrote:
I'm from LA and have seen both of our olympians from so cal dominate all the local guys in a 5k and run low 14s. Also hear David Krummenacker ran about a 14:15 when he was forced into a 5k
Krummenacker is also a 3:31 1500 guy.
Just felt I should comment on an earlier comment. Nick Symmonds most definitely did not routinely run low 24s for 8K; he was never a factor in DIII XC.
bangalangadanga wrote:
Nick Symmonds routinely ran in the low 24s or slightly below for 8k cross country.
No he didn't, not even close (I finished 0.1s in front of him at d3's our junior year so I thought it would be cool to see what kind of times he normally ran). It was a fairly flat course and we weren't that much under 26.
KR told me once he had run 15:30's for a road 5k without working too hard.
Either of them would crush 15 on the track, but under 14 is unlikely. Rudisha is a freak, and despite being a "speed" guy could possibly flirt with 14 flat.
haha wrote:
Vento|in^3 wrote:800 1600 3000 5000
1:40-->3:59-->8:53-->16:40
1:41-->4:03-->9:05-->17:20
On a good day he should be able to run under 17.
I don't understand you Ventolin. Sometimes you seem very credible, but other times like this, I can't take you seriously. You don't think Rudisha could break 4 minutes in the mile?
That's not Ventolin. That's an imposter trying to make him look bad. Notice the incorrect spelling of his name
Ttttt wrote:
That's not Ventolin. That's an imposter trying to make him look bad.
Like he really needs someone to help him with that...
pretty pointless exercise
he has 45.5/1'41.01pbs, but those are underestimates - his 400 was eary season off no speedwork - you have to offer him 45.00 mid-season
his 1'41.01 woud be ~ 1'40.6 if he'd tucked in properly behind pacer to bell & got some drafting
off 45.0/1'40.7 ->
2'10.2
3'27.1
7'34.2
13'26.2
29'06.2
his endurance may just possibly extend to 1k ( offering him maybe a low-2'11 ) off his 800 training, but he certainly woudn't be anywhere close to 3'27 let alone 13'26
I don't think he could run those times over 1500m-5000m unless he trained specifically for them and even then the 1500m is a bit out there. However i've also read that during the winter he regularly does longer runs and tempos/fartlek with Songok, Kipchoge and some other endurance guys so surely at that point of the year he'd be able to run sub 14 5k without much of a problem?
haha wrote:
I don't understand you Ventolin. Sometimes you seem very credible, but other times like this, I can't take you seriously. You don't think Rudisha could break 4 minutes in the mile?
I do. Under my best scenario (see above) I have him @ 3'59. So, yes, he could.
I spoke to Rudisha last year in Sydney and asked him exactly this question i.e. how fast he can run 5k. He said when fully fit he can do around 14:20.
Young Buck wrote:
Pretty sure he does fartleks and tempos with isaak songok who's legit. at the end of his base phase I bet rudisha could hit a sub 14 5k. in peak 800m shape at the end of the season he could probably run a 14:30-15:00.
This guy is right
800m_run wrote:
I spoke to Rudisha last year in Sydney and asked him exactly this question i.e. how fast he can run 5k. He said when fully fit he can do around 14:20.
10 seconds out. Not bad.
On the flipside, Renato was talking about Gregory Konchellah/Kamel at Charlotte 2011. He said Kamel was lazy as f#@k and could not break 9 for 3000 when he was able to run 1:42.8 for 800. Once Kamel got down to 8:28 in the 3000, they put him in the 1500 and he ran great.
thats not like 100% in stone and thats only if you train for that event
At first I thought your 'lines' were ridiculous, but then I saw that thy balanced out fast and slow twitch profiles sensibly; now, with Rudisha being such a freak and the 1:30 zone being such a freaky anaerobic-aerobic place, I can understand it is uncharted territory working a 'line' for somebody like the Big R, but come on! You really think a 1:41 guy can only run 17 for the 5K. Fine, Rudisha's a freak, but where do you get data or comparable models for his performance degradation?
Vento|in^3 wrote:
800 1600 3000 5000
1:40-->3:59-->8:53-->16:40
1:41-->4:03-->9:05-->17:20
On a good day he should be able to run under 17.
When David Rudisha was growing up in Youngstown, Ohio he had a paper route. Every day after school he would walk the 3.17 miles from the start of the route to the end. The last house on that route was the home of a girl he had a crush on. Her name was Emily Waingarten and she was the most popular girl in school - largely because she was insanely gorgeous, just a beautiful, beautiful girl.
Sometimes Rudisha would run his paper route in order to get to Emily's house quicker so that he could spend more time gazing into her pretty blue eyes. Over the years he got faster and faster at running the 3.17 miles to Emily's house.
In David's senior year, Emily suddenly became quite ill. It was so sudden that David didn't know about it until he was already out on his paper route for the day. When he heard she was dying he sprinted to her house. Unfortunately, Emily died when David was 800 meters from her house. He never go to say goodbye.
On that day, David left Youngstown and moved to Kenya - where Emily said they would always go to live once they were married.
David has sworn he will never run 3.17 miles again. He will only run 800 meters as a tribute to Emily.
How fast could David Rudisha of Youngstown, Ohio run the 5K? The world will never know.
Are you people seriously this dumb? That's not an L, it's a |! That's not ventolin!