Wheating wins in 3:35.89

In the very least- Centro was awesome after a full yr of racing, and questionably changed it all this yr. I can see scaling back- but this is too dramatic a change. Seriously, unless he medals, then he's regressed. He closed in :51 last yr off a decent pace and after rounds. You need raceS to get there.

he was injured you dolt. most people "regress" following an injury.

ttc, did you miss the well-known fact that he was injured?

this is common knowledge

i'm sure he would've raced more and been sharper otherwise

Centro got injured some time this spring/late winter. Letsrun posted a link on it one or two weeks ago. Thats why he hadn't raced much this outdoor season. He had some very good indoor results this winter. Lets pump the brakes on saying he's regressing. Manzano has hit pr's once pro. He's just not as dominate as he was in college. Wierd, how that works.

Lets all take a breath and see how 1500 plays out. The US has some good young talent in the 1500. They just aren't reaching everyone's high expectations because haven't run something like 3:29 this season.

damn it I write too slow. I was like 5th to the centro was injured party.

Yes, I know he was injured- and I should've mentioned it. But I still remember the plan being to keep him sidelined for the majority of the running yr. The formula was 'there'. It should've been tweaked- not overhauled.

And training/racing XC for months obviously worked before. Just mileage doesn't duplicate. Yea his track season ended late. But being used to racing 8-10K's over grassy hills is a great place to be months before the fast stuff. Touch on it and get a late 2011 race in. It WORKED for him before- and that was no small time segment. Why change? Maybe he was injured because his 1st racing in months was on fast, sharp turns.

ttc wrote:

And training/racing XC for months obviously worked before. Just mileage doesn't duplicate. Yea his track season ended late. But being used to racing 8-10K's over grassy hills is a great place to be months before the fast stuff. Touch on it and get a late 2011 race in. It WORKED for him before- and that was no small time segment. Why change? Maybe he was injured because his 1st racing in months was on fast, sharp turns.

Centrowitz ran at the USATF Club Cross Country Championships in the winter. He also ran a slew of indoor races and pr'ed in two different events during that period. He also ran at the World Indoor Championships. Let's not be too hasty when judging about his "regression." Recall last year that he hadn't broken 3:40 until Monaco. Granted a lot of his 1500 races were tactical up until that point, but 3:37 is very good for Centrowitz given the circumstances (after all he ran 3:57 at Pre just a week before). He will definitely be a factor come the Trials. The guy knows how to race.

His entire running life, he's raced XC. Now in an olympic year- he ignores it? Yea, a late 2011 outdoor season. But not November-like late. It WORKED for Centro before- so don't ELIMINATE what he's done his entire running life. And mileage is not the same as hitting a comfort level of racing 8-10K's on grassy hills. It WORKED before- and was eliminated this Olympic yr.

Good post- I didn't know all of this. I withdraw my 'complaints'!

ttc,

You are going to need to lay out your data showing McMullen, Lukezic and Lomong regressing after college. I am calling total BS on that proposition. Holman, lets see it too.

In the words of legendary dyestat poser king99m No way, No how.

A Duck wrote:

just recently uploaded:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/248652-2012-NTL-Harry-Jerome-International-Track-Classic/video/641041-M-1500-F01-Inviational-Section-Wheating

Ok fanboys. We know you like to rip NBC for terrible announcing but what about ripping flotrack for an awful job in this case? Fair is fair.

Who is the 2nd announcer on there? Kelvin Selby is a good as usual but who is that 2nd kid. He talks over selby, repeats every runners name a million times and acts like we aren't watching what is happening. This isn't radio - it's a video.

AWFUL.

TTC,

You are a moron.

1) You say Centro should have raced more but seemingly fail to realize he was racing a lot (world indoors) he just got injured.

2) You say he shouldn't ignore xc but he didn't. He ran well at the Club USA Champs? What other XC meets did you want him to run? His track season ended in August. You can't really run world indoors and xc at the same time.

That being said, I actually agree with your assertion that alot of guys don't progress after college. Chris Lear called me up the other night and was like, "Rojo, I think you guys should do an article on when guys peak. Everyone acts like all these US collegians need money so they can keep running and peak at 28 or 29. When in reality do most of them peak?"

It's worth looking into for sure.

rojo wrote:

TTC,

You are a moron.

1) You say Centro should have raced more but seemingly fail to realize he was racing a lot (world indoors) he just got injured.

2) You say he shouldn't ignore xc but he didn't. He ran well at the Club USA Champs? What other XC meets did you want him to run? His track season ended in August. You can't really run world indoors and xc at the same time.

That being said, I actually agree with your assertion that alot of guys don't progress after college. Chris Lear called me up the other night and was like, "Rojo, I think you guys should do an article on when guys peak. Everyone acts like all these US collegians need money so they can keep running and peak at 28 or 29. When in reality do most of them peak?"

It's worth looking into for sure.

Rojo: Read my LATEST post above (quoted below). Seems YOU failed to realize this. If I'm a moron for 'failing to realize', then so are you- as my post was inches above. It also makes you a hypocrite.

"Good post- I didn't know all of this. I withdraw my 'complaints'!" (Posted well before Rojo's post).

ttc, your post just states you posted a bunch of slander without checking to see if any of it was true. you are a moron.

gonchar wrote:

ttc,

You are going to need to lay out your data showing McMullen, Lukezic and Lomong regressing after college. I am calling total BS on that proposition. Holman, lets see it too.

In the words of legendary dyestat poser king99m No way, No how.

McMullen had 8?? years as a pro. Only 1 year did he run faster than the same '95 outdoor season as his senior year. Even then, his WC placing was the same, but he was only national champ in '95.

Lukezic was 4th in the trials during his junior season of college. Then the same senior outdoor season, he was 2nd at USATF's and made the WC semis, missing the WC final by 1 place.

Holman was an Olympian only during college. Though I admit he had injury circumstances in 2000, it is still valid.

Lomong- I was wrong. But still, too many examples of professionals having their best success off collegiate running, and regressing as pros.

thirty two wrote:

ttc, your post just states you posted a bunch of slander without checking to see if any of it was true. you are a moron.

Yea, and Rojo did the same. He was a moron and a hypocrite- not me.

ttc wrote:

Centro is ANOTHER example of a great college miler regressing (***SO FAR*** anyway) once pro. Monzano, Lukezic, Lomong are just recent examples. Yea, there are others who have improved- but too many were at their best (or near) as collegians. Past examples incl. Gabe, Stember, Lassiter, McMullen. Even Holman, who wasn't faster, made the OG's only as a collegian. You CAN'T just lay low all year and expect to run fast, sharp and with a huge kick. It could happen- but again, look @ the milers I named.

You can talk about regression after the summer is over.

At this point, you should reverse your thinking and realize how idiotic you've been.

The guy has been injured and lost some training.

ttc wrote:

thirty two wrote:

ttc, your post just states you posted a bunch of slander without checking to see if any of it was true. you are a moron.

Yea, and Rojo did the same. He was a moron and a hypocrite- not me.

Still you, pal. Writing 'I take back everything I said' doesn't make you any less of a moron.