Kimmons 6.45, Gatlin 6.47!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moron

i told you

100m = 2*60m - 3.00

with assumed 0.13rt,

he wouda been 6.45 = 9.90

with decent wind, that gives low-9.8

he was barely 0.05s faster in his prime

if your peabrain thinks this indicates he was doping back then, you are clearly even bigger moron than i thought

I don't like that conversion. In fact, I don't like any 60m/100m conversions at all. Two completely different races at different points in the year. The 60m is an acceleration test, and the 100m is a combination of acceleration and top-end. Deceleration doesn't play too big of a role in the 100m on the professional level, particularly for men.

I've seen sprinters go anywhere from 10.70 to 11.10 a short time after running 7.0x in the 60m. I've seen sprinters run anywhere from 10.40 to 10.80 off of a 6.7x. The ranges really are too large to compare the two races with a conversion that simple..

NYRun1 wrote:she will be the only one on the podium.

WHOA! she's gonna sweep the top 3 all by herself! amazing! i'm not aware of an athlete that's ever pulled that off. maybe ventolin can show us morons and idiots how that would convert too! please?

You need to understand how much of the 100 is speed maintainence.

Thats the problem these 60m have. You can run a fast 60, but that last 40 is all speed maintainence. Bolt is usually the slowest out the blocks. Powell wasn't that quick out of the blocks either. But their last 40 is always fast.

moron

find 60m split in

- 9.58

- 9.77wr safa

- 9.79wr mo

The 60 has ...0...to do with a 100m. Most great 100m sprinters don't start running until the 60m. Anfre Cason is the second faster 60m guy ever...6.41. He was ..just...a 9.92 guy. The 60 is what it is and the 100m is what it is.....two different events.

You're right about the 100m being more about speed endurance/maintanance/sustain/maintain...but wrong about Asafa Powell, he ha always had a great start, his problem has been his finish.

A healthy (sub9.80) Tyson Gay is a must if the USA plans on knocking off Jamaica for that Oly gold. We can win the silver without him, not the gold. We need a team that could make the Jama gang pay if they make a mistake. If they run their best...36.98 and nobody can beat them. I do believe this team could make them pay...

Trell Kimmons

Walter Dix

Tyson Gay

Justin Gatlin

All things equal nobody is beting Jamaica in 2012. I'm a Cali boy so...........

You nailed it!!!

Tim Harden was a 6.43 guy, he was never a "great" 100m guy. Morne Nagel..6.48 and never broke a 10.10.

Sup Brutal?

ventolin^3 wrote:

moron

find 60m split in

- 9.58

- 9.77wr safa

- 9.79wr mo

Bolt ran 6.31 en route to a 9.58, Powell ran 6.36 en route to a 9.77. Not sure what Greene's split was.

You do realize these numbers actually support my point and refute your silly conversion a little bit, right?

Ventolin, you do realize that just because "you say something", doesn't make it true in any particular case, right?

I don't give a crap about any of your so-called statistical analysis. I used to design research studies, complete with comprehensive stats. What you present is laughable.

In this instance, there is much to be gained by considering the individual sprinter, Gatlin, both currently, and historically--and that is the information upon which I rely.

Ultimately, you just confirmed what I said already anyway--it's all in my post of 10:09 pm--although you're too turgid and bellicose to recognize your redundancy.

Sprinter guy--

I totally agree that one should pay Og Ventolin's "conversion" no mind.

You are of course correct that the 60m is an acceleration test, and that the 100m is a combo of acceleration and top-end.

Here's the thing: you can see how somebody accelerates in a 60m race, and understand how they will be likely to perform in the 100m, if you have knowledge of their 100m history.

Gatlin has always had very good speed maintenance in the 100m. The way that this 60m was run lends itself to a great last 40--he was smooth, controlled, and in true Gatlin-esque fashion, essentially all of his motion was directed along the length of the track.

For Gatlin individually, any indoor 60m around 6.45 translates to a mid-9.90 outdoors, based on his history.

This was a 6.45, with a minimally better RT. Not only that, but very few tweaks are needed to get it to 6.42-6.43, which for Gatlin is a low-9.90

Not all mid-6.4x guys run low-mid 9.90 outdoors, but Gatlin does. Similarly, not all 9.7x/9.8x guys run low 6.4x indoors--but if Gatlin goes low 6.4x indoors, he goes 9.8mid-high outdoors.

Nobody in their right mind would make the case that Cason, Gardener, Brunson, etc. have the same kind of speed maintenance of which Gatlin has proven himself capable over the last 40m of the 100m.

This is great news for the USA. Yes, I KNOW it was done at altitude, but that doesn't matter--what matters is the trajectory, and that all the signs are good as far as the 4x100 relay is concerned.

Gatlin is rounding into shape nicely.

Dix always delivers when he needs to.

Gay is still a question, but if there is anybody who will dedicate himself totally to his rehabilitation and to performing when the time comes, it is Gay.

The rest of the guys know they will be in a dogfight, and are training extra-hard and extra-smart just to make the team. That kind of competition will produce better times than we've seen in a long time, from the 4th/5th guys on the relay squad.

Looking good. Like I said, all Jamaica needs to do is get the baton around to win. In 2012, the USA should of course try for the win, but make absolutely sure that if they get beaten, it is only by the WR-holders, possibly in WR time.

The USA, with a healthy squad, should also aim to break 37.40. Put some guy like Demps or Kimmons on leadoff, to Gatlin, to Dix, to Gay. Each of those runners is probably as good as Marsh, Burrell, Mitchell, and Lewis, on those respective legs, except unless Gay isn't healthy on anchor.

IMHO the USA just needs to pick the relay squad early, give them some time to hang out together, and practice handoffs. Sure, the individual 100 and 200 are important--but although Dix might medal in the 200, gold is unlikely; and although Gay and Dix have chances of medalling in the 100, gold is unlikely.

The relay is IMHO the USA's second best chance to acquit itself well in men's sprinting, behind the 4x400.

Screw the individual races--when a relay wins, the relay team wins instead of just an individual--and the country wins, as the relay is more representative of the country's ability than is any individual event.

Video is up on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVnscfBqiVk&feature=player_embedded

This is probably a bigger deal for Gatlin than Kimmons becasue Gatlin typically finishes strong in the 100m and this is close to 60m the times he was running when he was running mid-9.8s in the 100m. Gatlin has never been better than an average starter and even if you make an adjustment for altitude, I would say he should be in the high 9.8s come outdoor. Also, it looks like Gatlin has lost a few pounds and overall he looks more fluid than he did last year.

With that said, I think a few people are getting ahead of themselves talking about the 4x1 becasue Jamaica at a minimum will have 2 9.8 legs, a 9.7 and a 9.6. Jamaica's chances of winning the 4x1 is about equal to the U.S. winning the 4x4...it's theirs to lose.

Are you thinking Gay will now run anchor because of his physical situation? As we know he likes that third leg as do his coachs.

Asafa has a good start but not as good as it should be with his size.

Ben Johnson example. Best starter ever, huge.

Thats what I meant. You give and take, Asafa gives up a little speed endurance for size, which he should have an awesome start with but is just marginally better than most.

I think thats why he never wins the championships but races very well.

Compare this to a smaller guy that has a poor start but great speed endurance. Richard Thompson comes to mind.

This is the question about Walter Dix, does he give up more to be so big?

TrackCoach--

+1

I think that Gay will run one of the straight legs on the relay, for a few reasons: 1) I always remember him going down around the 200m curve at nationals with a ham injury; 2) even when he has been allegedly injured, he has been able to run excellent times on the straights, his runs in Clermont and the 150m straight were pretty terrific, even if he finally hit the wall at last year's nationals; and 3) Dix is a very competent turn runner, should he be on the relay team.

Just my 2 cents, though.