Has any protest in the USA accomplished anything? Lets see there was about 30,000 protests to get Bush impeached and another 25,000 protests to end the Iraq war. How did that turn out???
There's got to be about 141 better ways to accomplish something other than screaming at concrete.
Am I a fool?
I do believe that I am getting paid at a fair market value for the work / responsibilities that I have compared to similar jobs around the country. This is the supply / demand part that I mentioned before.
What garbage. "Fair" market. One that pays tens of millions to investment bankers for breaking up companies, throwing workers onto the street, and sending jobs overseas to virtual slave labor -- while begrudging any payments to teachers and firemen. there is nothing fair about the market -- it is a rigged game. While not knowing this as a youngster can be chalked up to naivite, not knowing it after some years in the real world indeed makes you a fool.
Ok then.
So I understand your rant about investment bankers and share your frustration, but how does that relate to solving the debt problem in Wisconsin? And what would you propose to do to resolve the debt based on your rant. Tongue in cheek, there are probable 25 investment bankers in the state of Wisconsin anyway. This isn't NY City for heavens sake!
Fragpole wrote:
Where does the money come from? It is not so simple.
We can ask the same question when it comes to the military offense budget.
How very disingenuos of you to label my listing of obvious -- and pertinent -- facts a rant and to call me frustrated.
You think what happens on Wall Street has no impact on Wisconsin? You continue to demonstrate that you are indeed a fool
realist realist wrote:
Has any protest in the USA accomplished anything? Lets see there was about 30,000 protests to get Bush impeached and another 25,000 protests to end the Iraq war. How did that turn out???
There's got to be about 141 better ways to accomplish something other than screaming at concrete.
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Are you blaming the people for the fact that the state does not care about them or listen to them?
People with advanced degrees (J.D.s mostly) have run this country into the ground.
Just be glad you live in the USA where you can demonstrate and live to tell about it afterwards. In Nazi Israel you would be bulldozed to death with your entire family at midnight while sleeping in your bed, for demonstrating against apartheid, racism, and Nazi Zionism.
silly uncleb! marxism is for kids.
I did say that I agree with you about the investment bankers. And also agree that what happened on Wall Street does have some impact to Wisconsin. Now reread my post and answer my question then. "how does that relate to SOLVING the DEBT PROBLEM in Wisconsin?"
from what i know its not bad wrote:
I think the main people itaffects are teachers. Teachers pay almost nothing towards a retirement fee. They retire at 55 in wisco and receive 80% of their paycheck for the rest of their life and get 100% healthcare coverage. Seems like a bad way to spend tax money to me.
Hey, a**wipe, you get in the class room for 32+ years until 55 and see how you handle the tough job for very little pay. They earn every bit of that retirement!!! (this from a 35+ year teacher from Missouri)
I am a public employee in WI and have been for the last 6 years. When I graduated college 6 years ago it was very easy to get my position in a local government. I was the only person from my class out of school that took a public sector job, everyone considered the pay to be too low. An equivalent private sector job paid 10k-20k more than public, maybe 10k-15k when benefits were considered. People wanted to take a risk and pursue higher salaries in the private sector, which was fine. But bad economies hurt private industry more, everyone knew that but times were booming in 2004. Those private employees made a lot of cash before 2008, and now it is harder for them. Public vs private has it's advantages and disadvantages but people should recognize that and not blame the public employees for their secure jobs now, most of them could've had my job if they wanted.
Walker's bill stinks because even though my local government is not in financial trouble due to smart planning the last 3 years, we are prohibited by law from receiving wage increases. Even though it would be no money coming from the state. I'm not union, but I still oppose the bill.
You mean like Abraham Lincoln or Andrew Jackson..neither had a college degree. I have a college degree, from the University of Wisconsin, I live in Madison and I support everything Walker is doing. In fact he won the election and stated while he was running that he was going to do this and as recently as December was speaking about this goal publicly. I think alot of people are supporting Walker, but they have to go to work on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. What the teachers are doing in Madison right now only supports the rediculous power the unions have. If you didn't show up for work for 3 days without an excused absense my guess is you'd be fired. The unions need to lose their strangehold and when they do in Madison the rest of the country will be quick to follow. In fact Ohio had already started a similar practice in Ohio a week before. Don't be fooled by the Liberal media, there are alot of people supporting Walker right now.
info wrote:
If you didn't show up for work for 3 days without an excused absense my guess is you'd be fired.
But if the majority of workers at a company din't show up for work for 3 days they would not be fired.
There is strength in numbers.
Nazi Israel wrote:
Just be glad you live in the USA where you can demonstrate and live to tell about it afterwards. In Nazi Israel you would be bulldozed to death with your entire family at midnight while sleeping in your bed, for demonstrating against apartheid, racism, and Nazi Zionism.
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Perhaps you have not notices, but nazi zionism has been gaining a foothold in the USA the last ten years.
It's simple.
Go back to the tax rates of the 1950s and the billionaires become millionaires and we have plenty of money for everything.
agip.
Have you ever posted anything of substance?
Maybe you are going for clever or funny. If so, it ain't working.
Yeah because all of the MBAs working on Wall Street have done such a bang-up job. I've seen guys with advanced degrees who can't find their asses and high school/college drop outs who are brilliant businessmen (my dad fits in there as he lasted a semester in college). Education doesn't mean crap if someone is an idiot to begin with. People usually don't get into power because they are smart, it's because they have more money than the person they are running against. How many members of Congress are millionaires?
Well, I don't think that this will fix the Wisconsin budget problems. How many Billionaires do you think there are in Wisconsin? Less than 10. I dont' think that any of them made their money in the banking industry. They got their fortunes through manufacturing, consumer sales and the like.
If we tax the living daylights out of these rich folks as you suggest, they will pick up their money and move it out of state/country anyway, and those looking for handouts while maintaining their entitlements will be in worse shape financially.
Get Real wrote:
If we tax the living daylights out of these rich folks as you suggest, they will pick up their money and move it out of state/country anyway, and those looking for handouts while maintaining their entitlements will be in worse shape financially.
What a load of crap. Every time there's some tax discussion some idiot says "we can't tax people that can afford it because they'll move". First off there are high tax states and low tax states already. If there was an ounce of truth to the "they'll move" claim there would be no rich people in high tax states. They are the most mobile people in society and could move in a heartbeat. There aren't mass exoduses of the rich from high tax countries either. The "move" claim is a flat out lie without a single fact to back it up.
The tax rates of the rich are at historic lows and this has resulted in a dramatic drop in quality of life for the rest of the country. For sure making the rich pay proportionally for the benefit they get from a healthy and functioning society won't fix the financial woes of any state or the country, but it can't be written off as part of the solution.
lsdy wrote:
from what i know its not bad wrote:I think the main people itaffects are teachers. Teachers pay almost nothing towards a retirement fee. They retire at 55 in wisco and receive 80% of their paycheck for the rest of their life and get 100% healthcare coverage. Seems like a bad way to spend tax money to me.
Hey, a**wipe, you get in the class room for 32+ years until 55 and see how you handle the tough job for very little pay. They earn every bit of that retirement!!! (this from a 35+ year teacher from Missouri)
Isdy, the kids are the easy part....it's their parents.